Concept question - forces at different side of ladder

In summary, there is a painter using a large stepladder with a 3 m wide base and a height of 7 m. The painter is standing on a step 2.0 m above the floor. The ladder itself has a mass of 90 kg and the horizontal bar has a mass of 12 kg. The problem involves analyzing the forces on the hinges of the ladder and determining whether the reaction forces at the hinges are the same. Using statics equations, it can be shown that the forces (as vectors) are not the same, but their magnitudes may be equal. Further analysis is needed to determine if there is a clever argument that shows the magnitudes will be the same.
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Homework Statement


The 87 kg painter in the figure below is using a large stepladder. The base of the ladder is 3 m wide, and the ladder is 7 m high. The painter is on a step that is 2.0 m above the floor. The horizontal bar of the ladder has a mass of 12 kg, and the entire ladder has a mass of 90 kg. Assume that the floor is frictionless.
http://puu.sh/cqbjn/de2f114817.png

Homework Equations


sum of torque
f=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I would assume the forces at hinge b is different than the forces at hinge a since the man is on the side of hinge B and more importantly the bar has a mass so it's not massless thus the tension on both side shouldn't be the same... however on the answer key the reaction force on both hinges are the same.
http://puu.sh/cqbxK/5bfb197a8b.png
Can someone explain why the forces on both hinges the same??
 
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The forces (as vectors) are certainly not the same. Their magnitudes may happen to be the same. The question is, is there some clever argument that shows the magnitudes will be the same (without analysing the whole system)?
Consider just the horizontal bar. There are three forces on it, one known to be vertical and through the mid point. You can write down three statics equations: horizontal, vertical and rotational (torque). You can avoid involving the weight by just using the horizontal equation and moments about the centre. What do these two equations tell you?
 

1. What are the different types of forces acting on a ladder?

There are three types of forces that can act on a ladder: the weight of the ladder itself, the weight of the person on the ladder, and the reaction forces from the ground or wall that the ladder rests against.

2. How do the forces on a ladder change when a person climbs up or down?

When a person climbs up or down a ladder, the weight of the person and the ladder will shift, causing the reaction forces from the ground or wall to change. The ladder will also experience additional forces from the person's movements.

3. What is the relationship between the angle of a ladder and the forces acting on it?

The angle of a ladder is directly related to the magnitude of the reaction forces from the ground or wall. As the angle of the ladder increases, the reaction forces will also increase.

4. Can the forces on a ladder be calculated using mathematical equations?

Yes, the forces on a ladder can be calculated using principles of Newton's laws of motion and trigonometry. By analyzing the forces acting on the ladder, it is possible to determine the stability and safety of the ladder.

5. What steps can be taken to prevent a ladder from tipping over?

To prevent a ladder from tipping over, it is important to ensure that the ladder is on a stable surface and is at the correct angle. The ladder should also be secured at the top and bottom to prevent it from sliding or shifting. Additionally, it is important for the person on the ladder to maintain their center of gravity within the ladder's base and to not make sudden movements that could cause the ladder to become unstable.

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