Confused about the number of absorption lines

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The discussion revolves around the number of absorption and emission spectral lines an atom can exhibit when transitioning between multiple energy levels. The original poster is specifically confused about how to count possible transitions when considering different numbers of energy levels.

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  • Participants discuss different interpretations of how to count transitions between energy levels, with some referencing conflicting information from various textbooks. Questions are raised about the criteria for counting transitions and the implications of different assumptions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the nuances of counting transitions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to count the transitions.

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There is mention of specific wording in textbooks that may affect the understanding of the problem, as well as a distinction between counting transitions for absorption versus emission lines. The original poster seeks clarity on how to approach similar problems in the future.

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If an atom in energy level 1, how many absorption spectral lines can an atom exhibit due to transition between 3 levels? How about 4 and 5 levels? And also in emission?

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I am confused one book says it can absorb a photon to the third level at once, or to n=2, so there is only 2 possible transitions. Another book says it can absorb once to n=3, n=2, and from n=2 to n=3, so there are 3 possible transitions in total. How am I supposed to count the possible transitions? Here’s a question I encountered, but I need to know how to solve any problems of this kind. Any help is appreciated, Thanks in advance!
 
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YMMMA said:
one book says it can absorb a photon to the third level at once, or to n=2, so there is only 2 possible transitions. Another book says it can absorb once to n=3, n=2, and from n=2 to n=3, so there are 3 possible transitions in total.
It might come down to the exact wording of the statements. Can you post extracts?
 
I forgot to post the problem,too.
 

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Here they are.
 

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YMMMA said:
I forgot to post the problem,too.
The number of spectral lines are asked "if all transitions were possible ".
 
ehild said:
The number of spectral lines are asked "if all transitions were possible ".
So they are indeed three possible transitions.
 
YMMMA said:
So they are indeed three possible transitions.
Yes.
 
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YMMMA said:
Here they are.
I see no inconsistency. Some of these texts are considering only transitions from a given level, not all transitions between the levels in the set.
 
So why in question 5 didn’t we include transitions from n=3 to n=2 and n=2 to n=1, and n=3 to n=1...
 
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YMMMA said:
So why in question 5 didn’t we include transitions from n=3 to n=2 and n=2 to n=1, and n=3 to n=1...
Because that question specifies transitions from level 4.
This is not the same as asking for all emission lines, since that would include 3->2, 3->1 and 2->1.
 
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Got the difference, thanks!
 

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