Conservation Of Angular Momentum

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in the context of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of the Earth's speed and questions the conservation of angular momentum, seeking clarification on the reasoning behind it.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why the torque is zero in the context of angular momentum conservation. They reference a prior explanation from a workshop but find it unclear.
  • Some participants suggest creating diagrams to visualize the forces involved and their moments about the axis of rotation.
  • Others explore the relationship between the Earth's speed, distance traveled, and the implications for angular momentum, questioning whether any of these values change over time.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various aspects of angular momentum and its conservation. Some have provided insights into the relationship between force and torque, while others are clarifying the implications of constant values in the context of angular momentum.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on understanding the assumptions related to torque and its impact on angular momentum conservation. The original poster expresses confusion about the explanation received, indicating a need for further clarification on the topic.

BOAS
Messages
546
Reaction score
19
Hello :)

Homework Statement



The Earth of mass m_{e}, moves with an approximately circular orbit of radius r = 1.5 * 10^{8}km around the sun of mass M_{s} = 2 * 10^{30}kg.

(a) Determine the numerical value of the speed of the earth.

(done, got an answer of 29821 ms^{-1} by equating the gravitational equation with the centripetal force equation)

(b) Is the angular momentum L of the Earth conserved? Why? Show that its module is given by L = m_{e} \sqrt{GM_{s}r}

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I do not understand how to show that angular momentum is conserved, one of the older students that help in our workshops gave an 'explanation' but I don't actually follow his argument.

I'll try to explain what I think he said.

L = I \omega

\frac{dL}{dt} = \tau = f * r

\tau = o

\frac{dL}{dt} = 0

∴ Angular momentum is conserved

The step that confuses me somewhat is why \tau = 0

Thanks!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Make a small diagram of the Earth and the sun. Make the force vector with proper direction.
What is the moment of this force about the axis of rotation?
 
from an experimental perspective, the speed of Earth ought to be its travel distance (2 pi r) divided by travel time (1 year = 31.557 Megasec).
Angular momentum L = r x p = r x mv = r m v sin(theta) = r m |v| ... do any of these values change?
 
consciousness said:
Make a small diagram of the Earth and the sun. Make the force vector with proper direction.
What is the moment of this force about the axis of rotation?

There isn't one, the force acts towards the axis of rotation.

That makes sense.
 
lightgrav said:
from an experimental perspective, the speed of Earth ought to be its travel distance (2 pi r) divided by travel time (1 year = 31.557 Megasec).
Angular momentum L = r x p = r x mv = r m v sin(theta) = r m |v| ... do any of these values change?

Assuming I understand your symbols correctly, no.

So, the derivative of a constant is 0, hence angular momentum is conserved.

Thank you.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
1K
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
2K
Replies
335
Views
17K
  • · Replies 71 ·
3
Replies
71
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K