Conservation Of Energy, Block Sliding Down Incline Onto Spring.

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The problem involves a block of mass m sliding down a frictionless incline at an angle θ, striking a spring with a force constant k. The task is to determine the distance the spring compresses when the block comes to a stop, using principles of conservation of energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy at different moments of the block's motion and attempt to relate the energies involved. There are attempts to express the compression of the spring in terms of known quantities, and some participants question the validity of certain expressions and assumptions made in the derivations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the energies at different moments, while others have pointed out the challenges in expressing the compression explicitly in terms of known variables. There is an ongoing exploration of the equations derived from the conservation of energy principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that certain variables, such as h, are unknown and directly related to x, which complicates the derivation of a clear solution. There are hints suggesting to focus on comparing specific moments of energy rather than expressing everything in terms of h.

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Homework Statement


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A block of mass m starts from rest at a height h and slides down a frictionless plane inclined at angle θ with the horizontal, as shown below. The block strikes a spring of force constant k.
Find the distance the spring is compressed when the block momentarily stops. (Let the distance the block slides before striking the spring be l. Use the following as necessary: m, θ, k, l, and g.)

Homework Equations


Conservation of Energy:
GPE : U = mgh
K = (1/2)mv2
Spring = (1/2)kx2


The Attempt at a Solution



My Diagram:
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Let H = l*sinθ
Let h = x*sinθ

Moment 1: E = mg(H+h) = mgsinθ(l+ x)

Moment 2: E = (1/2)mv2 + mgh = (1/2)mv2 + mgx*sinθ

Moment 3: E = (1/2)kx2

-------- Attempts to get rid of x2 led to
x = h/sin
(1/2)k(h/sinθ)2 = mgsinθ(l+ x) ;;;
(kh2/2sin2θ) = mgsinθ(l+ x) ;;;
(kh2/2) = mglsin3θ + mgxsin3θ ;;;
(kh2/2) - mglsin3θ = mgxsin3θ ;;;

x = k*h2/2mgsin3θ - l
 
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Creepypunguy said:
Moment 1: E = mg(H+h) = mgsinθ(l+ x)

Moment 2: E = (1/2)mv2 + mgh = (1/2)mv2 + mgx*sinθ

Moment 3: E = (1/2)kx2
This is good.

-------- Attempts to get rid of x2 led to
x = h/sin
(1/2)k(h/sinθ)2 = mgsinθ(l+ x) ;;;
(kh2/2sin2θ) = mgsinθ(l+ x) ;;;
(kh2/2) = mglsin3θ + mgxsin3θ ;;;
(kh2/2) - mglsin3θ = mgxsin3θ ;;;

x = k*h2/2mgsin3θ - l
Don't try to express things in terms of "h"--that's an unknown directly related to "x".

Hint: Just compare moments 1 and 3. Solve that equation!
 
As h=xsinθ, your last equation does not give x explicitly in terms of the known quantities, k, m, θ, L, and g.

ehild
 
So by solving equations 1 and 3 I got
mglsinθ+mgxsinθ = (1/2)kx2
0 = (k/2)x2 - mgsinθx - mglsinθ
quadratic formula

x = (mgsinθ ± √[mgsinθ(mgsinθ+2kl)] ) / k
 
It is all right now.

ehild
 

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