Conservation of Energy in Space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy in a hypothetical scenario involving toasting a slice of bread in space and examining the temperature changes of the toast after it is exposed to the space environment. The scope includes theoretical considerations of energy balance, heat transfer, and the effects of solar radiation in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the temperature of the toast would increase due to solar photons unless it encounters a gas cloud that could facilitate heat loss.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of using a toaster if the toast could be heated sufficiently by solar radiation when close to the sun.
  • A participant asks about the energy balance equation, noting that in deep space without insolation, black body radiation would be used to calculate heat loss, while proximity to a star would require considering insolation in the energy balance.
  • A participant expresses a lack of familiarity with the energy balance equation but acknowledges gaining a better understanding through the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the toaster and the effects of solar radiation on the toast's temperature. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives on the energy balance in space, and no consensus is reached regarding the temperature outcome of the toast.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference concepts like black body radiation and insolation without fully resolving the implications of these factors on the toast's temperature. There are also indications of varying levels of familiarity with the relevant physics concepts among participants.

Neil Graham
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Imagine bringing a toaster and a slice of bread into space. After doing so, we were to toast the slice, measure the temperature after toasted, then chuck the piece of toast out into space quickly before too much heat transfers. After a week goes by, we find the piece of toast and bring it back into the spacecraft then quickly measure it.

I would like to know whether the temperature of that piece of toast would raise, lower, or stay the same without having to spend $50,000 to bring those 2 kilograms or so into space. My understanding of this is that it would raise temperature due to the photons of the sun, unless it were to somehow be caught up in some gas cloud, where it would lose heat.
 
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Neil Graham said:
Imagine bringing a toaster and a slice of bread into space. After doing so, we were to toast the slice, measure the temperature after toasted, then chuck the piece of toast out into space quickly before too much heat transfers. After a week goes by, we find the piece of toast and bring it back into the spacecraft then quickly measure it.

I would like to know whether the temperature of that piece of toast would raise, lower, or stay the same without having to spend $50,000 to bring those 2 kilograms or so into space. My understanding of this is that it would raise temperature due to the photons of the sun, unless it were to somehow be caught up in some gas cloud, where it would lose heat.

What do you think the energy balance equation would look like? If you are in deep space with no insolation, you would use black body radiation to calculate the loss of heat. If you are close to an energy source like in close orbit near a star, the insolation would be part of the energy balance, no?
 
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Neil Graham said:
My understanding of this is that it would raise temperature due to the photons of the sun,
If your toast is so close to the sun, that radiation heats it beyond what a toaster does, why did you need a toaster in the first place?
 
A.T. said:
If your toast is so close to the sun, that radiation heats it beyond what a toaster does, why did you need a toaster in the first place?
Just as an example that it leaves the spacecraft with a heat higher than room temperature.
 
berkeman said:
What do you think the energy balance equation would look like? If you are in deep space with no insolation, you would use black body radiation to calculate the loss of heat. If you are close to an energy source like in close orbit near a star, the insolation would be part of the energy balance, no?
I have not gone over the energy balance equation in my high school classroom yet, but with some researching of the keywords that you've said, I did get a better understanding of what would happen, thank you.
 
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