Conservation of energy/momentum and difference reference frames

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The discussion centers on the conservation of energy and momentum in a thought experiment involving a spaceship that uses mechanical springs loaded with balls for thrust. When the spaceship fires the springs, it appears to gain velocity in different reference frames, leading to confusion regarding energy conservation. The analysis reveals that the mass of the balls relative to the ship significantly impacts the energy distribution, necessitating their inclusion in calculations to accurately apply conservation laws. The example provided illustrates how the kinetic energy of the balls is greater than that of the ship due to their mass ratio.

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I managed to confuse myself with a simple thought experiment.

I have a spaceship that uses mechanical springs loaded with balls for thrust. We start in a reference frame O where the ship isn't moving and fire one spring, which gives the ship a velocity v. Pick a new frame O', moving at v in the same direction, so the ship appears static again and fire another spring. If the mass of each ball is small in comparison to the ship, every repetition of this is the same, so the ship appears to increase its velocity by v each time a spring is fired. This doesn't make sense though, because let's say I fired 10 springs, then by tracing back to the original frame O the ship would appear to be moving at 10v. However, each spring is identical so it should store the same energy. Obviously E=M/2 * (10v)^2 != M/2 * 10 * v^2.
 
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If the ship is much heavier than the balls, then most of the energy stored in the springs is going to go to accelerating the balls. You must include the balls into your analysis in order to be able to use conservation of energy.

Example: For the firing of one ball at rest with ball mass m and ship mass M, conservation of momentum yields mv = - MV where v is the velocity of the ball and V that of the ship. As a result
$$
v = -\frac{MV}m \quad \Rightarrow \quad \frac{mv^2}2 = m\frac{M^2V^2}{2m^2} = \frac{M}{m} \frac{M V^2}2,
$$
so the ball kinetic energy will be a factor ##M/m## larger than the ship kinetic energy.
 
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Thank you :)
 

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