Conservation of energy of spring

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of energy in a system where a block is launched by a spring. The scenario includes a frictionless surface and a frictional surface with a coefficient of friction, as well as a curved rise. Participants are exploring the dynamics of the block's motion as it interacts with these surfaces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the initial conditions of the problem, including the spring constant and the mass of the block. There are questions about the clarity of the problem statement, particularly regarding units and the dimensions involved. Some participants suggest using energy conservation principles to analyze the system, while others express uncertainty about the details needed to solve the problem accurately.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different approaches to the problem. Some have offered calculations based on energy methods, while others are seeking clarification on the problem's parameters. There is no explicit consensus on the final outcome, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of a diagram and the need for clearer definitions of the variables involved, such as the mass of the block and the distance the spring is compressed. There is also mention of the importance of the hill's shape in determining energy loss due to friction.

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Homework Statement



A 194 block is launched by compressing a spring of constant 200 N/m distance of 15cm . The spring is mounted horizontally, and the surface directly under it is frictionless. But beyond the equilibrium position of the spring end, the surface has coefficient of friction 0.27 . This frictional surface extends 85cm , followed by a frictionless curved rise.
No friction on the curved rise, only on horizontal plane.
So basically, box has potential energy in spring, moves over friction surface, then up the hill with no friction, comes back against friction surface, hits the spring, goes to friction surface, and up the hill again, and so on.

Homework Equations



kx^2/2=mv^2/2
Ffriction=N*u=mg*u
Vf^2=Vo^2-2ax

The Attempt at a Solution



kx^2/2=mv^2/2
Solve for initial velocity which is 4,8162m/s.
Solve for deaccelration mg=mau
a=-2.646m/s^2.
Then just calculating the velocity each time he exits the friction surface, moves up, comes down with same velocity, loses velocity at friction surface, hits spring, bounces back with same velocity, enters surface, loses velocity etc.
His final velocity is 0.84m/s moving towards the left at the beginning of the frictionless surface before he comes to a stop.
He will make it 16cm from the right side, in a total of 69cm from the left side.
Is this correct?
Thank you!
 
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I'm having difficulty understanding the question. Is the spring really compressed a distance of 15 meters? You don't give any units, so the question is not clear. Is the block 194 kg or 194 grams?

The diagram is not shown. It matters what the shape of the hill is because the energy lost to friction depends on the distance along the slope of the hill and on its angle.

It isn't possible to find the answer with the information you have given. Can you give us the question in full - every word - and include a sketch of the diagram or at least a description?
 
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I used an energy approach, basically saying that the initial spring energy is converted to work done against friction:
½ k⋅x² = μmgd
The d works out to about 5 times the 0.85 m of the surface with friction. I get a little less than your 16 cm of extra distance after the 5 passes through the 85 cm. You might use the energy approach as a check on your work.

What are we trying to find?
 
Delphi51 said:
I used an energy approach, basically saying that the initial spring energy is converted to work done against friction:
½ k⋅x² = μmgd
The d works out to about 5 times the 0.85 m of the surface with friction. I get a little less than your 16 cm of extra distance after the 5 passes through the 85 cm. You might use the energy approach as a check on your work.

What are we trying to find?

Nice, After launch, where does the block finally come to rest? Measure from the left end of the frictional zone.

Solving it you're way, i get 71.7cm, this correct?
 
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Looks good! I got 72 cm; only did it to 2 significant digits.
 

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