Conservation of Energy w/ Frictional Forces

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a rockslide where a 710 kg rock slides down a 500 m long and 300 m high hillside with a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.23. The gravitational potential energy (U) at the top is calculated as 2,087,400 J, which is confirmed as correct. However, the energy transferred to thermal energy during the slide was incorrectly calculated, leading to confusion about the work done by friction and the distance involved. The participants clarify that the 500 m is the hypotenuse of the triangle formed by the hill, affecting the calculations for the angles and forces involved. Overall, the thread highlights the importance of correctly interpreting the problem's geometry in energy conservation scenarios.
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Homework Statement


During a rockslide, a 710 kg rock slides from rest down a hillside that is 500 m long and 300 m high. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the rock and the hill surface is 0.23.
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(a) If the gravitational potential energy U of the rock-Earth system is set to zero at the bottom of the hill, what is the value of U just before the slide?
(b) How much energy is transferred to thermal energy during the slide?
(c) What is the kinetic energy of the rock as it reaches the bottom of the hill?

Homework Equations


U[/B]=mgh
N=mgcosθ
Fƒ=μN
Wƒ=Fƒdcosθ

The Attempt at a Solution


a)[/B] Easy. Uο=(710)(9.8)(300)=2087400 J (Accepted as correct answer)

b) θ=tan-1(300/500)=31°
N=(710)(9.8)cos(31)=5964.2 N
Fƒ=(.23)(5964.2)=1371.8 N
Wƒ=(1371.8)(583.1)cos(180°)=-799896.6 J (This was not accepted as correct answer)

(c)
Uο+Kο=Uf+Kf+Wƒ
2087400+0=0+Kf+799896.6
Kf=1287503.4 J (Also not accepted as correct answer)Please let me know where I went wrong.
 

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maxhersch said:
Wƒ=(1371.8)(583.1)cos(180°)=-799896.6 J
Where did the 583.1 come from?
Should the answer be positive or negative?
 
haruspex said:
Where did the 583.1 come from?
Should the answer be positive or negative?

583.1 is the distance the rock slides found by the Pythagorean Theorem √3002+5002. I tried both positive and negative with those answers. I assume the work done by friction is always negative since it is opposite the motion. and the kinetic energy should be positive because the velocity would be in the positive x-direction.
 
You misinterpreted the problem. The 500 is the hypotenuse.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
You misinterpreted the problem. The 500 is the hypotenuse.

Chet
... which means this is also wrong:
θ=tan-1(300/500)​
 
Chestermiller said:
You misinterpreted the problem. The 500 is the hypotenuse.

Chet

Ahh knew I missed something basic. Thanks a lot.
 
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