Conservation of momentum on relativistic collisions

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The discussion revolves around a problem from particle physics concerning the conservation of momentum in relativistic collisions. The original poster presents a scenario where particle A collides with particle B at rest, resulting in the production of multiple particles. The goal is to calculate the threshold energy required for this reaction in terms of the masses of the involved particles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy and momentum principles to derive the threshold energy. They express confusion regarding the treatment of momentum conservation in the final state of the collision.
  • Some participants suggest considering the center of mass frame for calculations, while others clarify the interpretation of the final momentum state.
  • Questions arise about the validity of using specific forms of the momentum four-vector in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications on the use of invariant properties in calculations. There is a recognition of the importance of the rest frame for the products in determining the threshold energy, although the original poster initially expresses uncertainty about the reasoning behind certain assumptions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to the invariant nature of certain quantities in relativistic physics and the implications of these invariants on the calculations being performed. There is also mention of the conditions under which the threshold energy is defined, specifically when the reaction products are at rest relative to each other.

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1. Homework Statement

( This question is from the textbook of Introduction to Elementary Particle Physics, written by Griffiths, on the problem set of Chapter 3 )

Particle A (energy E) hits particle B (at rest), producing particles C1, C2, ...: A + B → C1 + C2 + ... + CN. Calculate the threshold (i.e. minimum E) for this reaction, in terms of the various particle masses.

[ Answer: ( M2 - m2A - m2B ) / ( 2mB ), where M = m1 + m2 + ... + mn ]

2. Homework Equations

Assuming that c = 1 and h = 1,

Before collision:
pμ i = ( EA + mB , pA )

After collision:
pμ f = ( M , 0 )
, where M = m1 + m2 + ... + mn
, and subsctibe i and f represents initial and final state of collision.

pμpμ = m2

3. The Attempt at a Solution

I calculated the answer but I do not understand why momentum pA seems to be not conserved if I want to get the answer.

(a). I assumed that the energy-momentum four vector is conserved.

(b). I simply calculate ( pμi )2 = ( pμf )2, then I solve for EA .
⇒ ( EA + mB )2 - pA2 = M 2
, then I solved for EA by subsituting pA2 with EA2 = mA2 + pA2

(c) My question is: why should I consider the final momentum state as:
pμf = ( M, 0 )
, but not something like:
pμf = ( Ej + M , pCj )
for M = M - mj
Shouldn't the momentum be conserved, just like a ball hitting a bunch of balls when playing snooker?
 
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You are computing a Lorentz invariant. This has the same value in all inertial frames and you can therefore just as well compute it in the CoM frame.
 
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Lukanol said:
(c) My question is: why should I consider the final momentum state as:
pμf = ( M, 0 )
, but not something like:
pμf = ( Ej + M , pCj )
for M = M - mj
Shouldn't the momentum be conserved, just like a ball hitting a bunch of balls when playing snooker?
##p^\mu_\text{f} = (M,0)## is wrong. You should say it's ##p^\mu_\text{f} = (E,\vec{p}_\text{A})##. You got the right answer because your calculation involves only ##p_\text{f}^2##, which is an invariant.
 
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Does that mean, for the equation below, $$\left( E_A + m_B \right)^2 - \vec p_A^2 = M^2,$$ I actually used the invariant property of ## (p_f^\mu)^2 = M^2 ## on the right-hand side, while on the left-hand side I used the "dot product" of ## (p_i^\mu)^2 ##?

But then why:$$ \frac {M^2- m_A^2 - m_B^2} {2m_B},$$ is the threshold (minimum E) for this reaction?
If the reaction is explosive, such that particle ## C_1, C_2, ..., C_N## has momentum ##\vec p_1, \vec p_2, ..., \vec p_n##. If they adds up to ##\vec p_A = \vec p_1 + \vec p_2 + ... + \vec p_n##, our result seems to be the same because the right-hand side is invariant.
 
Ahh sorry, I figured it out just after posting.
 
The threshold occurs when the products are at relative rest. Therefore, in their rest frame ##P_f = (M,0)## and consequently ##P_f^2 = M^2##.
 
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