Proving the Law of Conservation of Momentum: An Example

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The discussion centers on proving the law of conservation of momentum, with participants debating the adequacy of using Newton's first law as a foundational premise. One participant asserts that if the net force (F) is zero, then momentum (p) remains constant, suggesting that this is a definition rather than a proof. Others express skepticism about whether Newton's first law can be proven true or if it merely serves as an accepted premise. The conversation highlights the distinction between proving a theory and demonstrating its validity through practical examples, such as car accidents or elastic collisions. Ultimately, the challenge remains in explaining the underlying reasons for momentum conservation beyond its empirical observations.
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Can someone help me to prove the law of conservation of momentum using an example?
 
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Hmm... right now I can't really think of any that actually PROVES it. But I can prove that it always works no matter what situation it is applied to. Just show a situation, e.g. car accidents, rockets, springs even.
 
lonelywizard said:
Can someone help me to prove the law of conservation of momentum using an example?
The proof is one line:

F = dp/dt = 0

That is the definition of force. If the force acting is 0, dp/dt = 0 so p is constant.

AM
 
I don't actually thinks that actually proves it. That just defines force. Other than practical experiments, or actually showing it works in every situations, I can't really think WHY it must be so.

Perhaps it is derived from elastic collisions, and kinetic energy is conserved. Perhaps not.
 
QuantumCrash said:
I don't actually thinks that actually proves it. That just defines force. Other than practical experiments, or actually showing it works in every situations, I can't really think WHY it must be so.
Conservation of momentum follows from Newton's first law. Since:

F = dp/dt

IF:

F = 0

then: P = constant.

Why is Newton's first law true? It may not be. But to prove something, youi have to start with a premise. The premise is that F = dp/dt, Newton's first law. So far, no one has been able to show that it is not true.

AM
 
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Ohhh... the problem of asking to "prove" versus "verify/demonstrate". :rolleyes:
 
Andrew Mason said:
Why is Newton's first law true? It may not be. But to prove something, youi have to start with a premise. The premise is that F = dp/dt, Newton's first law. So far, no one has been able to show that it is not true.
AM

Thats proof by contradiction that is. Since you can't disprove it that means its right. I suppose you might accept it that way. But what I am going about is more that you can't proof by induction and you can't really explain WHY momentum is conserved.
 
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