Convert the equation to a first order system.

In summary: To get eigenvectors for \lambda = 1 you need to use the equation (A- I)v= 0, not Av= \lambda v. So you need to solve the equations -4v1- 2v2= 0, v1- v2= 0 -4v1- 2v2= 0 is the same as (-2)v1- v2= 0 so v1= -v2. Take v1= 1, then v2= -1.In summary, the conversation discusses converting an equation to a first order system and solving it using matrices. Various equations and methods are mentioned, including the use of d/dy =
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killersanta
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Homework Statement




Convert the equation to a first order system.

d^2y/dt^2 + 3dy/dt + 2y = 0



The Attempt at a Solution



Set d^2y/dt^2 = dv/dt

dy/dt = V

So, I now have: dv/dt + 3v + 2y = 0

Now, I'm not sure what to do with that Y, In my notes we only did examples with the last number not having an variable.
 
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hi killersanta! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

put d/dy = D …

then it's (D2 + 3D + 2)y = 0 :wink:
 
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You have exactly what you want. Yes, dv/dt+ 3v+ 2y= 0 so your two equations are
dv/dt= -3v- 2y and dy/dt= v.
 
  • #4
tiny-tim said:
hi killersanta! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

put d/dy = D …

then it's (D2 + 3D + 2)y = 0 :wink:


What reply box?
______________________________________

Now, I'm having troubles again.

dv/dt = -3v -2y
dy/dt=v

A = [-3 -2 ]
[1 0]

Det: [-3-Lamba -2 ] = 0
[1 0-lamba ]

(-3 - lamba)(0-lamba) -(-2)(1) = 0
Lamba2 -3 lamba + 2 =0

(lamba -1)(lamba-2)=0
Lamba = 1, lamba = 2

Find V1 using Lamba =1:

[-3-1 -2|0]
[1 0-1 |0]
________________
[-4 -2|0]
[1 -1|0]
_________________
Swap rows
[1 -1|0]
[-4 -2|0]

This is where I am having troubles, no matter what I do, I can't get the bottom rows all zeros...
 
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(just got up :zzz: …)

try putting z = (D + 1)y :smile:

(and by the Reply box I mean the box on the Reply page that you get to if you click the "QUOTE" button :wink:)
 
  • #6
killersanta said:
What reply box?
______________________________________

Now, I'm having troubles again.

dv/dt = -3v -2y
dy/dt=v

A = [-3 -2 ]
[1 0]

Det: [-3-Lamba -2 ] = 0
[1 0-lamba ]

(-3 - lamba)(0-lamba) -(-2)(1) = 0
Lamba2 -3 lamba + 2 =0
This is incorrect. (-3- lambda)(-lambda)= lambda2+ 3\lambda+ 2= 0.

(lamba -1)(lamba-2)=0
Lamba = 1, lamba = 2

Find V1 using Lamba =1:

[-3-1 -2|0]
[1 0-1 |0]
________________
[-4 -2|0]
[1 -1|0]
_________________
Swap rows
[1 -1|0]
[-4 -2|0]

This is where I am having troubles, no matter what I do, I can't get the bottom rows all zeros...
That's because 1 is NOT an eigenvalue.
 

1. What is a first order system?

A first order system is a type of mathematical model that describes the behavior of a system in terms of its first derivative. This means that the system is dependent on only one independent variable, and the rate of change of this variable is represented by the first derivative.

2. Why would you want to convert an equation to a first order system?

Converting an equation to a first order system can make it easier to analyze and solve. It can also help to simplify complex systems and make them more manageable.

3. How do you convert an equation to a first order system?

The process of converting an equation to a first order system involves separating the highest order derivative and its coefficients, and then introducing a new variable to represent the derivative. This results in a system of first order equations that can be solved using standard methods.

4. What are some common applications of first order systems?

First order systems are commonly used in fields such as physics, engineering, and economics to model and analyze various systems and processes. Examples include population growth, chemical reactions, and electrical circuits.

5. Are there any limitations to using first order systems?

While first order systems can be useful for many applications, they may not accurately represent more complex systems with multiple variables and high-order derivatives. In these cases, higher order systems or other mathematical models may be more appropriate.

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