Convex Lenses: Determining Real/Virtual Images

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The discussion focuses on determining the nature of images produced by two thin convex lenses. For lens 1, the image location is found between F1 and F2, and it produces a real image when treated as an object for lens 2. The image from lens 2 is located towards the right and is confirmed to be real. When lens 2 is replaced with lens 3, the image produced is likely virtual, depending on the position of the object relative to the focus of lens 3. The key takeaway is that the nature of the final image—real or virtual—depends on the convergence of rays after passing through the lenses.
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Homework Statement


Two thin convex lenses (1 and 2) and a small object are arranged as shown.

a) Use the three principal rays to determine the location of the image of the object produced by lens 1.
. Object
--------.F1---0(Thin lens 1)---.F1-----------.F2----0(Thin lens 2 - longer)---->F2-----------

b) Treat the image produced by lens 1 as an object for lens 2. Use the three principal rays to determine the location of the image of this object produced by lens 2.
Is this image produced by the pair of lenses real or virtual? Explain your reasoning.

c) Repeat parts a and b for the case in which lens 2 is replaced with a different lens (lens 3), as shown below.
.Object
----.F1--0(Thin lens 1)---.F1---.F3-------0(Thin lens 3 - longer)-------.F3------------------------

Is the image produced by the pair of lenses real or virtual? Explain your reasoning.

Homework Equations


Not quite sure of the relevant equations here.

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a, I would draw a parallelogram of principal rays and the location of the image object would be inbetween F1 and F2?

For part b, the location of the image object produced by lens 2 would be towards the right end of the page. It would be a real image.

For part c, I am unsure how my answer would differ from above, although I think it would be a virtual image.

Thanks in advance for your help! Better pictures are attached.
 

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First of all, what is the condition for a real or a virtual image to be formed?
 
A real image is a representation of an object (source) in which the perceived location is actually a point of convergence of the rays of light that make up the image. If a screen is placed in the plane of a real image the image will generally become visible on the screen.

A virtual image is an image in which the outgoing rays from a point on the object always diverge.
 
Exactly..
and for a convex lens, a virtual image is formed only when the object is placed between the lens and its focus.
Now after refraction from the first lens, where will the image be formed?
Remember, this image can behave as an object, because formation of a real image is actually the convergence of rays at a point. But after convergence the rays will continue to move in their own directions, thus making that point of convergence equivalent to a point source of light!

The basic essence of the solution to your problem is simple..
If the point where the rays converge after refraction through the first lens, don't lie beyond the focus of the second lens the final image will be real but if the point of convergence of rays after first refraction lies beyond the focus of the second lens, the image will be virtual.
 
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