Copper Electroplating, cell voltage = 0V?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electrochemical behavior of a copper electroplating cell, specifically examining the cell voltage when both electrodes are made of copper in a CuSO4 solution. Participants explore the implications of electrode proximity, concentration effects, and the role of standard electrode potentials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the cell voltage would be 0V given that both electrodes are copper and the reactions at the electrodes have equal and opposite standard potentials.
  • Another participant asserts that the cell voltage would indeed be 0V and mentions that activity can be approximated by ion concentration, referencing concentration cells.
  • A subsequent participant raises concerns about the stability of concentration in the electroplating bath and asks how to determine the deviation of Ecell from the standard hydrogen electrode (SHE) in varying concentrations of CuSO4.
  • This participant also inquires about methods for determining overpotentials for different electrode materials and whether oxygen evolution differs from SHE on copper electrodes.
  • Another participant notes that in electroplating, the applied voltage is more significant than the cell's inherent voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of cell voltage in electroplating, with some agreeing that the inherent cell voltage may not matter much due to the applied voltage, while others focus on the theoretical implications of the cell's behavior under specific conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the effects of concentration on cell voltage and the determination of activity coefficients in the Nernst equation. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on overpotential measurements across different electrode materials.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrochemistry, particularly in the context of electroplating processes and the behavior of concentration cells.

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Hello everybody,

this is probably a very novice question, but imagine anode and cathode, both made from copper immersed in CuSO4 aqueous solution (1M at standard temp and pressure + assuming electrodes are very near each other -> minimizing diffusion/migration resistance) and:

Cu(2+) + 2e- -> Cu(s) = 0.337V (SHE)
and
Cu(s) <- Cu(2+) + 2e- = -0.337V (SHE)

In this scenario would the cell voltage be 0V? In literature and articles Ecell is usually defined as Ecell = Eox + Ered.

If this is correct, does the CuSO4 molar concentration affect Ecell if electrodes are very near each other? How does one determine activity coefficient in Nernst equation?

Thanks!
 
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Yes, E cell would be 0. Activity - as a first approximation - equals ion concentration. Google "concentration cell".
 
Thanks for the help.

In concentration cell, it would need to have concentration gradient. But what about in electroplating bath, where concentration is quite stable across the bath? How do I determine Ecell deviation from SHE for example in 0.1M CuSO4 or 5M CuSO4?

Also, since SHEs are performed on Platinum (or platinized?) electrode, are there analytical methods for determining overpotentials for various different electrode materials? Or are there good lists available? For example does oxygen evolution differ from SHE on copper electrodes?

Thanks!
 
In electroplating you force voltage upon the cell, so the voltage of the cell itself doesn't matter (much).
 

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