Need help with electrochemistry lab

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The discussion revolves around a lab procedure in electrochemistry involving the measurement of cell potentials using different metal ions and their corresponding half-reactions. Participants are attempting to calculate the concentration of Cu2+ ions using the Nernst equation based on their experimental voltage measurements.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster describes a lab setup with three metal solutions and their respective voltages measured between Cu and the other metals.
  • There is uncertainty about whether the measured voltage represents the total Ecell.
  • Some participants confirm that the logic behind the calculations appears correct, but they request to see the exact calculations to identify potential mistakes.
  • One participant provides a specific equation for calculating the voltage between Zn and Cu, while another presents the equation for Cu and Ag.
  • There is a concern raised about obtaining two different concentration values for Cu2+ and Ag+, leading to questions about the accuracy of the measurements or calculations.
  • Formatting issues are noted, with suggestions to use LaTeX for clarity in presenting equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the setup and logic of the calculations, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the results or the reasons for the differing concentration values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the measurements and calculations.

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There are limitations in the provided information, such as missing detailed calculations and potential dependencies on the definitions of the concentrations used in the Nernst equation.

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Homework Statement



Simplified lab procedure:

I have 3 wells (from well-plate)
one with Cu(NO3)2 and a piece of Cu(s)
one with AgNO3 and a small piece of Ag(s)
last one with Zn(NO3)2 and a piece of Zn(s)
Salt bridges are soaked with KNO3

All of the solutions above have molarity of 0.10M

A few drops of 6M NH3 (aq) was added to the well with Cu(s)

And I used the volt meter to measure the voltage between Cu and the other two
Cu and Ag : 0.521 V
Cu and Zn : 0.619 V

And they want me to calculate the concentration of Cu2+
using Nernst equation

Homework Equations


Cu2+ + 2e- ⇔ Cu(s) Eo = 0.34V

Ag+ + e- ⇔ Ag(s) Eo = 0.80V

Zn2+ + 2e- ⇔ Zn(s) Eo = -0.76V

Ecell = Eocell - \frac{0.0592}{n}logQ

The Attempt at a Solution


First question I have, so the value that we measure, is that the total Ecell ?
and let do the first case, since both are used for calculation [Cu2+]
For Zn and Cu

Zn(s) + Cu2+(aq) ⇔ Zn2+(aq) + Cu(s)
Eo = 0.76 + 0.34 = 1.1 V

And now with [Zn2+] = 0.10M and the measured Ecell I just need to plug this into the Nernst equation to get Q.

The same method would be applicable to Ag. Assuming I got the above correctly.
However, the answer I got for [Cu2+] is very small, 5 x 10^(-18)

and When I do the same thing for Ag
i got a different value 8.5 x 10^-5
So i think there is something wrong.

thanks for your time.
 
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Hard to say if you are not doing any mistake without seeing exact calculations, but the logic behind things you wrote so far looks OK to me.
 
For Zn and Cu
the equation I had was

0.619 = 1.10 - \frac{0.059}{2}log\frac{[Zn2+}{[Cu2+]}

I plugged it into wolfram alpha, so the answer can't have any mathematical errors.


as for Cu and Ag
Cu(s) + 2Ag+ → Cu2+(aq) + 2Ag(s)
the equation is

0.521 = 0.46 - \frac{0.059}{2}log\frac{[Cu2+}{[Ag+]^2}
 
qpham26 said:
0.619 = 1.10 - \frac{0.059}{2}log\frac{[Zn2+}{[Cu2+]}

Looks OK, unless I am wrong as well.

That is, it doesn't look OK - why don't you format it as a whole using LaTeX?

0.619 = 1.10 - \frac{0.059}{2}\log(\frac{[Zn^{2+}]}{[Cu^{2+}]})
 
Hi Borek, what doesn't look Ok beside the Latex format?
was the chemical eq. correct?
and is the Nernst eq. set up right?
 
I was referring to formatting only.
 
Borek, If the set up was right, how come i am getting 2 different answer?
does it have to do with the measurement then?
 

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