Copper rod vs. bundle of wires in a magnetic field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison of current generation in a bundle of copper wires versus a solid copper rod when subjected to alternating magnetic fields. Participants explore the implications of eddy currents, the geometry of the conductors, and the design considerations for axial flux generators.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a solid copper rod would generate more current due to having more copper, or less current due to potential residual magnetic fields when polarity switches.
  • Another participant asserts that eddy currents will be generated in the rod.
  • A follow-up suggests that similar eddy currents would be produced in each wire of the bundle, and when summed, they might equal the current in the rod.
  • A later reply challenges this by discussing the relationship between the size of eddy current loops and power dissipation, referencing the principles of Faraday induction and the design of transformer cores and Litz wire.
  • One participant shares their thought process regarding axial flux generator designs, questioning the use of different coil shapes and the potential for feedback issues when using iron versus copper.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of eddy currents and the comparative current generation in the rod versus the bundle of wires. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific physical principles and design considerations, but there are no consensus conclusions or resolutions regarding the effects of eddy currents or the optimal design for the generators discussed.

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I was wondering what the difference in current is if there is one when you have a bundle of copper wire passing through alternating magnetic fields verses a solid copper rod of the same diameter. Will the rod have more current because there is more copper? Would it have less because more copper means more residual magnetic field when the polarity switches? Or would it make no difference at all?
 
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Eddy currents will be generated in the rod.
 
Bob S said:
Eddy currents will be generated in the rod.

Wouldn't the same eddy current be produced in each wire of the bundle just in smaller amounts, and when all of those small amounts are added up won’t they equal the current in the rod?
 
tigrathi said:
Wouldn't the same eddy current be produced in each wire of the bundle just in smaller amounts, and when all of those small amounts are added up won’t they equal the current in the rod?
Actually not.
Consider a small differential current loop in the copper of radius r and width dr. The induced voltage (Faraday induction) is proportional to πr2 and the length of the loop is proportional to 2πr, so the induced current i is proportional to ρr/2 (where ρ is the resistivity of copper), and the dissipated power to i2ρ=ρr2. So larger eddy current loops lead to more power dissipated in the copper. This is why transformer iron is lamiated (see http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_purpose_of_laminating_an_iron_core_in_transformers), and why Litz wire (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire) is used in ac coils. To minimize losses in the Litz wire, each strand is covered with a thin insulating coating.
 
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Perhaps an explanation of what made me ask this question could help. I was looking at all the different designs of axial flux generators, and nearly all of them use an "O" shaped coil of wire on one side of a magnet. I was thinking why would they not use a "C" shape coil and use both sides of the magnet. Then I got thinking that it would be kind of hard to route all of that wire. I was thinking one could use a "C" shaped piece of iron and put the coil on that, but it would cause too much feedback when the next opposite polarity magnet passes by. So I was thinking to use copper instead of iron & just connect the ends and use that as the coil to get around the feedback.
 

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