Correct statement about transverse wave propagating along a string

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a transverse wave propagating along a string, specifically addressing the movement of points on the string in relation to the wave's direction of propagation. Participants are analyzing statements regarding the motion of points P, Q, and R as the wave travels left or right.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants express differing views on which statements about the wave's behavior are correct, with some questioning the movement of points on the string and others suggesting that the direction of wave motion affects the displacement of these points.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and counterarguments regarding the correctness of various statements. Some have offered clarifications on the nature of transverse waves and the implications of wave direction on point movement, while others have raised concerns about potential confusion among students.

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There appears to be a lack of consensus on the correct interpretation of the wave's behavior, with multiple interpretations being explored. Participants are also addressing the need for clarity in explanations to avoid misleading conclusions.

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My answer is (1) only but my teacher said (3) is also correct. I don't understand why, I think when the wave is moving to the left both Q and R will be moving upwards, no?

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songoku said:
My answer is (1) only but my teacher said (3) is also correct. I don't understand why, I think when the wave is moving to the left both Q and R will be moving upwards, no?
Seems that way to me : you could ask them to expand on their response, see if they have the right particles.
 
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Only 2 is correct. 1)Since P is moving downward the wave is going to right as p approaches to right. 2)Yes, since R has a longer way to go. 3) Both are going to right.
 
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planck999 said:
p approaches to right.
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P is not moving left or right, just straight down, and the wave is moving left.
songoku said:
Q and R will be moving upwards
Yes.
 
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planck999 said:
3) Both are going to right
How do you mean that? This is a transverse wave and the points on the string can only move up and down.
 
planck999 said:
Only 2 is correct. 1)Since P is moving downward the wave is going to right as p approaches to right. 2)Yes, since R has a longer way to go. 3) Both are going to right.
No. Each point on the string is moving up or down only. For P to be moving down, you need to find the displacement direction of the wave for which the wave at P is lower in the next instant. This occurs when the wave moves left.

2) No. The wave will have passed S completely first and the statement is false.

3) Is false regardless of direction of wave motion.

Please do not confuse students if you are not 100% certain of the answer.
 
Thank you very much hmmm27, Planck999, haruspex, kuruman, Orodruin
 
Orodruin said:
For P to be moving down, you need to find the displacement direction of the wave for which the wave at P is lower in the next instant. This occurs when the wave moves left.
To put that in slightly more mathematical terms:

A wave moving left/right is given by the displacement ##u(x,t) = f(x \pm ct)## (with upper sign for a wave moving left). At a given point ##x = x_0##, the up/down motion of the string is given by ##u_t(x_0,t) = \pm c f'(x_0 \pm ct) = \pm c u_x(x_0,t)##. The string is moving down at ##x_0## if this is negative. Since the x-derivative at P is negative, we need the positive sign for the full expression to be negative, i.e., the wave is moving left.
 
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