Could a steering wheel cause acceleration/deceleration of a car?

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The discussion revolves around the role of a steering wheel in relation to the acceleration and deceleration of a car. Participants explore the definitions of these terms within the context of physics, particularly focusing on the distinction between changes in speed and changes in direction as they pertain to velocity, which is a vector quantity.

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  • Participants question whether the steering wheel can cause acceleration or deceleration, with some emphasizing the common understanding of these terms as related to speed changes. Others discuss the implications of direction changes on acceleration and the potential effects of steering on rolling resistance.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the vector nature of velocity and its implications for acceleration, while others express confusion over the terminology used in the question. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants note that the question originates from a high school textbook and that the curriculum includes the use of vectors. There is mention of a lack of solutions in the Instructor Solution Manual, which may contribute to the ongoing exploration of the topic.

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question: The gas pedal and the brakes of a car are used to change the velocity by accelerating the car or decelerating it. Could a steering wheel perform either of these two actions? Explain.

P.s: Of course velocity is a vector quantity and if the direction of car change there is an acceleration. But I think in the question "accelerating" word meanings the speed up and "decelerating" word meanings slowing down (as you know). So my answer is No ( neglecting some advance interactions for the high school curriculum).
Ps: I'm a non-native English speakers Physics teacher.
thanks
 
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bahtiyar said:
question: The gas pedal and the brakes of a car are used to change the velocity by accelerating the car or decelerating it. Could a steering wheel perform either of these two actions? Explain.

P.s: Of course velocity is a vector quantity and if the direction of car change there is an acceleration. But I think in the question "accelerating" word meanings the speed up and "decelerating" word meanings slowing down (as you know). So my answer is No ( neglecting some advance interactions for the high school curriculum).
Ps: I'm a non-native English speakers Physics teacher.
thanks
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Schoolwork questions need to be posted in the Homework Help section of the PF -- I have moved your thread for you.

When you start a schoolwork thread, you are provided a Template to fill out. It includes a place for you to provide the Relevant Equations, and show your Attempt at a Solution. What equations of motion do you think will help you to answer this question?
 
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I think steering may also increase the rolling resistance of the front wheels.
 
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CWatters said:
I think steering may also increase the rolling resistance of the front wheels.
yes its true but we neglecting it
the point that I'm curious about the specific meaning of accelerating and decelerating words in this question
 
bahtiyar said:
I'm curious about the specific meaning of accelerating and decelerating words in this question
Are you using vectors or scalars at this point in the curriculum? If vectors, then I think the answer is Yes, and the explanation is the usual one. The problem is not worded very well, unfortunately. Is it from a textbook? Do you have the Instructor Solution Manual to the textbook with the explanation?
 
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berkeman said:
Are you using vectors or scalars at this point in the curriculum? If vectors, then I think the answer is Yes, and the explanation is the usual one. The problem is not worded very well, unfortunately. Is it from a textbook? Do you have the Instructor Solution Manual to the textbook with the explanation?
Yes we are using vectors in the cirruculum
The question from the HOLT high school textbook.
There is no solution or explanation for the question in Instructor Solution Manual
But there is non-official non-professional assessment book and it says yes; velocity is a vector quantity and the direction of car change. So there is an acceleration
 
bahtiyar said:
and it says yes; velocity is a vector quantity and the direction of car change. So there is an acceleration
I would use that answer, and use it as a basis for discussion with your students. It will help them to understand the difference between scalar and vector quantities.

You could also use the example of the vector velocity of a spaceship as it applies thrusters that are aimed orthogonally to its direction of travel... :smile:
 
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The confusing part of the question is the reference to deceleration. That term should only be used when considering a change in speed. As far as velocity is concerned, all changes are accelerations.
 
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In general use "accelerate" means go faster. In physics "accelerate" can mean change direction.

You are asking us to decide which context is being used.

I would give the same answer as you..

bahtiyar said:
Of course velocity is a vector quantity and if the direction of car change there is an acceleration.
 
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thanks everybody
 
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CWatters said:
I think steering may also increase the rolling resistance of the front wheels.
Cornering loads increase deformation and rolling resistance on front and rear tires.

How ideal is the car for this question? What about caster effect? Assuming no internal losses such as axle friction or rolling resistance, the caster in the front tires would cause a motionless car to accelerate laterally when steered. Since after steering, the front tires point somewhat in the lateral direction, the car could be made to move. Then the car could be steered the other direction, repeating the process, allowing the car to accelerate. The effect would be similar to an advanced ice skater being able to take off and accelerate while only using one skate. Clearly this wouldn't work for a real car, but I'm wondering if this was an ice boat with no sail deployed, and the steering skate had caster offset.
 

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