Coulombs law and vectors, find the force vector

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving Coulomb's law and vectors, specifically focusing on two charged bullets hanging from ropes and the forces acting on them. The original poster describes the setup and attempts to calculate the forces involved, including gravitational and electromagnetic forces.

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  • Participants explore the forces acting on the bullets, including gravitational and electromagnetic forces, and discuss the equilibrium condition. There are attempts to draw free body diagrams and apply Newton's laws, but uncertainty remains regarding how to relate the forces to the charges and tensions in the ropes.

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Some participants have provided hints about identifying forces and setting up equations based on equilibrium, while others express confusion about the unknowns involved. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem without reaching a consensus on the solution.

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The problem involves specific constraints, such as the masses of the bullets, the length of the ropes, and the angles formed, which are essential for setting up the equations but are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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This is probably really obvious but I have a hard time with vectors and really don't know what it's supposed to look like..I'm not even sure if to draw the grav. force vectors starting from the ends of the ropes or straight down from the centers of the bullets.

Homework Statement



Two identical bullets, which both weigh 500 mg are hanging off of ropes 40 cms in length. They were both given equal charges of the same type (both positive or both negative) after which they repelled from each other and remained fixed at a position such as to form a 60 degree angle between the ends of the ropes. Find the charges of the bullets and the force that tightens the ropes.


Homework Equations



Coulombs law- F= k times q1q2/r2

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Ok so I drew a triangle and by using trig laws I found that r= 34 cm=0.34 m. Also the grav. force on the two bullets is 0.00049 N. So now I should be able to find the force between the bullets from the grav. vectors and the angle and then solve for the charges except I have no idea as to how to do that? Also my drawing is attached.
 

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Pick one of the bullets and identify all the forces acting on it. (Hint: Three forces act.) Draw a free body diagram for that bullet. What does the fact that the bullet is in equilibrium tell you about the net force?
 
Hi there,

Nice diagram. You are in a static problem, meaning nothing moves. Therefore, from Newton's second law, you can deduce what? (come on that's an easy one)

From this deduction, you should be able to draw an equation.

Cheers
 
I get that the sum of all the forces is zero. However I still have two unknown forces, one along the rope and the electromagnetic force. Even knowing the sum of all three doesn't help. What am I missing?
 
starryeyed said:
I get that the sum of all the forces is zero. However I still have two unknown forces, one along the rope and the electromagnetic force. Even knowing the sum of all three doesn't help. What am I missing?
The electric force can be expressed in terms of the charge, so your only unknowns end up being charge and tension. Which is a good thing, since they are just what you are asked to find.

Hint: Set up two equations: one for vertical forces, one for horizontal.
 

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