Creating a 30 Sec Timing Circuit with a 555

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The discussion revolves around creating a timing circuit using a 555 timer that can count for 30 seconds and produce a high output. Participants explore various configurations, the limitations of the 555 timer for long delays, and alternative components for achieving accurate timing.

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  • One participant proposes using a monostable 555 timer with specific resistor and capacitor values but finds the output unsuitable for triggering a d-flip flop.
  • Another participant questions the type of wave produced by the 555 timer and mentions its inadequacy for long delays.
  • It is noted that the accuracy of the 555 timer at 1-second intervals is low, and ripple counters may be a more effective solution for counting.
  • A suggestion is made to use a crystal oscillator for more accurate timing, with a request for recommendations on suitable models.
  • One participant shares their experience with CMOS 555 timers achieving long timing intervals and discusses considerations for capacitor discharge and power supply options.
  • A recommendation is made to use the 74HC4060 chip, which combines an oscillator and a counter, as a potential solution for generating time bases.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the 555 timer for long timing intervals and the best approach for achieving accurate timing. There is no consensus on a single solution, as multiple alternatives are proposed.

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Participants mention limitations regarding the accuracy of the 555 timer, the need for specific configurations, and the impact of temperature on timing accuracy. The discussion also highlights the importance of component selection and circuit design considerations.

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Individuals interested in timing circuits, electronics enthusiasts, and those looking for alternatives to the 555 timer for timing applications may find this discussion relevant.

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I need to make a timing circuit that will count 30 seconds and give a high output. I was going to use a monostable 555 with 90k and 10uf as my values. Using the formula I am getting a time of 1 sec. I use the program "circuitmaker" to make the circuit (as shown in the pic) but the output it shows this making is not a nice square wave that I can use to make a d-flip flop count. If anyone has made a counting circuit that is simaliar can you please send me a pic or advice on how to revise my circuit so that it will work. Also would a ripple counter be better for the counting? Thanks
 

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Just about any pulse that swings below Vin low and and above Vin high for the logic family will triger a d-flip flop.

As Daivid notes the accuracy of a 555 at 1sec intervals is low.

Ripple counters are generally better (cheaper) for counting.

Usually, if you want accurate timing then you start with a crystal oscillator and divide down.
 
Do you guys have any sugestions on a crystal oscillator that I can use. I have never used one.
 
Exactly what are you trying to do? How accurate does it need to be? I have used cmos 555 timers and tantalum capacitors timing way out to almost 10 minutes. They've been in use over 10 years. The accuracy doesn't need to be down to the microsecond, but within 10 to 20 seconds over a wide temperature range. One thing you want to watch is discharging a large capacitor into the 555 with the discharge pin (7). Use a series resistor to limit the current into that pin. Does this project always have access to 120 VAC power? No need for a clock when you have the 60 hertz timebase already.
 
I'd suggest that you just use a 74CH4060 chip. It's a combination oscillator plus 14-bit counter, so it's very handy for generating time bases. You should be able to google 74HC4060 application notes to get more info.
 

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