Creating static charge with a voltage source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the generation of static charge using a voltage source, specifically exploring whether a 12V source can induce a positive charge on materials like glass and aluminum foil. Participants are investigating the principles of static electricity, capacitance, and charge accumulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether connecting a negative electrode of a 12V source to glass would result in a positive charge on the glass and themselves while standing on an insulator.
  • Another participant reports that connecting aluminum foil to the positive side of a voltage source did not result in noticeable movement of the foil when the positive electrode was brought near it, suggesting that the voltage or capacitance might be too low for significant charge accumulation.
  • A participant proposes that increasing the surface area of the aluminum foil could enhance its capacitance, questioning the applicability of the capacitor formula in this context.
  • There is a discussion about what constitutes the dielectric in this scenario, with participants considering the plastic surface under the foil and the surrounding air.
  • One participant notes that typical static electric charges can reach tens or hundreds of kilovolts, implying that a 12V charge is insufficient for significant static effects.
  • A later post raises a question about calculating excessive charge on a full metal cube connected to a positive electrode, seeking to understand the implications after the electrode is removed while the cube is on an insulating material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of a 12V source for generating static charge, with some suggesting it is too low while others explore methods to enhance charge accumulation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and principles involved in static charge generation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the effectiveness of using a 12V source for static charge generation, and there are uncertainties regarding the application of capacitance formulas in this context. The definitions of dielectric materials and the implications of charge accumulation remain open for further exploration.

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I'm learning about static electricity. All the examples always bring up the experiments with rubbing a balloon with your hair and combinations like that.

I've found a page that lists what kind of charges certain materials tend to have.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/static_materials.htm

So now I'm wondering, is it possible to attach a negative electrode of a 12V source to a piece of glass and expect that it will get positively charged?

Could i also connect myself to the negative electrode and expect that I will also be positively charged?

Both myself and the glass will be standing on a insulator.

I'm going to try that, and post the results.
 
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Well, that didn't work very well :)

So I tried something else. I took a piece of aluminum foil and connected it to the + side, and than after about 30 seconds, i disconnected it. I thought that now when i bring the positive electrode to the aluminum it would move a bit, but it didn't.

My assumption is that either the voltage or the capacitance of the foil is to small, to accumulate enough charge for the force to be noticeable.

So how do I increase the capacitance of the foil? Bi making it's surface larger?

I think the formula for the capacity of a capacitor can't apply here.

[tex]C = \epsilon_0 \epsilon_r \frac {S}{d}[/tex]

What is the dielectric here? The piece of plastic he foil was placed on, or the air around it :) ?

And what would d represent?
 
A typical static electric charge can be 10s or 100s of kV. A 12 V static charge is negligible.
 
Ok, so that's a fail than.

What about the capacity?

If I had a full metal cube which i attach to a positive electrode, how can I calculate the amount of excessive charge? Considering that the cube is placed on an isolated material and the electrode is removed.
 

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