Curl of the Polarization (Electrostatics)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the curl of polarization in electrostatics, particularly in relation to symmetry in physical systems. Participants explore the implications of symmetry on the behavior of electric displacement and polarization.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Griffith's text, suggesting that in cases of symmetry, the curl of polarization is zero and questions the reasoning behind this.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on whether the discussion pertains to electrostatics or electrodynamics and what type of symmetry is being considered.
  • A participant confirms the focus on electrostatics and specifies that symmetry refers to a symmetric homogeneous body.
  • One participant states that since the curl of the electric field is zero in electrostatics, the relationship between electric displacement and polarization follows directly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the reasoning behind the curl of polarization being zero in symmetric cases, and the discussion remains open with differing viewpoints on the implications of symmetry.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the definitions of symmetry or the conditions under which the curl of polarization is considered zero, leaving some assumptions unaddressed.

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I've been reading Griffith's "Introduction to Electrodynamics" and I've got to this part where it says:

"When you are asked to compute the electric displacement, first look for symmetry. If the problem exhibits spherical, cylindrical, or plane symmetry, then you can get \vec{D}directly from Gauss's equation (for the displacement) in integral form. (Evidently in such cases ∇x\vec{P} is automatically zero, but since symmetry alone dictates the answer you're not really obliged to worry about the curl.)"

Now, why is it that the curl of the polarization is always zero in those cases where there is symmetry?

Is it just because in every case that exhibits symmetry the polarization is perpendicular to the boundary?
 
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Are you considering electrostatics or electrodynamics?
In what sense do you mean 'symmetry': a symmetric homogenous body, or some sort of crystal symmetry?
 
Electrostatics. Symmetry meaning the first one, a symmetric homogeneous body.
 
Since ∇x E = -∂B/∂t = 0 for statics and D = E + P, the result immediately follows.
 

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