Δ in derivative and partial derivative notation

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The discussion revolves around the meaning and usage of the lowercase Delta (δ) in the context of derivatives and partial derivatives. Participants are exploring whether δ signifies a specific mathematical concept or if its use is merely a matter of personal preference.

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  • Some participants attempt to clarify that δ typically denotes a "slight change" in a variable, while others emphasize that it is not used in standard derivative notation. There are discussions about the distinction between ordinary derivatives and partial derivatives, with references to the appropriate symbols used for each.

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The conversation is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the use of δ. Some participants provide insights into its application in specific contexts, such as virtual derivatives in mechanics, while others question its relevance in derivative notation. No consensus has been reached, but several productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of mathematical notation, specifically in relation to derivatives. There is an underlying assumption that clarity in notation is important for understanding the concepts being discussed.

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What does it mean when lowercase Delta (δ) is used in partial derivative and derivative notation? Does it make any difference? Or is it just a personal preference?


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If you means something like [itex]\delta x[/itex] or [itex]\delta f[/itex], it means "a slight change in" x or f. It does NOT occur in "partial derivative and derivative notation" but you may see it in the definition of the derivative.
 
Cinitiator said:

Homework Statement


What does it mean when lowercase Delta (δ) is used in partial derivative and derivative notation? Does it make any difference? Or is it just a personal preference?


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The Greek character δ (lower-case Delta) is not used in either kind of derivative. In ordinary derivatives, d is used, as in $$\frac{dy}{dx}$$
Here y is a function of a single variable. IOW, y = f(x).
It's probably not too far wrong to think of this as the quotient of two differentials: dy and dx.

For partial derivatives, a different character is used. As far as I know, it's not part of any alphabet.

If z is a function of two variables, say x and y, then we can talk about two partial derivatives:
$$\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}$$
and $$\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}$$
 
Usually it denotes a "virtual" derivative, one where time is held constant.

If you have a position vector [itex]\textbf{r}[/itex] which is a function of several variables, [itex]\left \{ q_1,q_2,q_3,...,q_n \right \}[/itex] and time [itex]t[/itex], the the total differential displacement is given by:

[tex]d\textbf{r}=\frac{\partial \textbf{r}}{\partial t}dt+\sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\partial \textbf{r}}{\partial q_i}dq_i[/tex]

This is just the chain rule. The virtual displacement, however, is given by:

[tex]\delta \textbf{r}=\sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\partial \textbf{r}}{\partial q_i}\delta q_i[/tex]

Note that it holds time constant. Virtual displacement is very useful in areas that use Calculus of Variations, such as Lagrangian mechanics.
 
It looks more like variations to me.

HallsofIvy said:
If you means something like [itex]\delta x[/itex] or [itex]\delta f[/itex], it means "a slight change in" x or f. It does NOT occur in "partial derivative and derivative notation" but you may see it in the definition of the derivative.
 
But elfmotat's suggestion is good too.
 

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