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Darfur - understanding

  1. Jul 31, 2007 #1

    JPC

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    hey, i was wondering about Darfur

    is it a country ? (civil war)
    or a war ?

    Google earth shows it like a country :
    http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/11/43/46/43/dar10.jpg

    and why does it last so long ?
    Wouldnt it be just easy for the europeans to get their armies and get rid of the genocide leaders and troops
    because, why are we acting like diplomats , when the enemies are so cruel
     
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  3. Aug 1, 2007 #2

    BobG

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    It's part of Sudan. http://images.google.com/imgres?img...fur&um=1&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2

    Darfur was a semi-independent country (actually, it was invaded by other countries fairly often so hasn't been independent for very long periods of time) until the British invaded and incoporated it into Sudan.

    Like most ethnic civil wars, it lasts a long time. Most ethnic civil wars last 20 to 30 years. 10 years would be short - 60 years would be a long civil war.
     
  4. Aug 1, 2007 #3

    JPC

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    but cant the europeans or americans put a quick end to this with their millitary superiority

    and , some blame china for being linked to this ? how come linked ? linked how ?
     
  5. Aug 1, 2007 #4

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    China sells weapons to the government and buys oil from Sudan. The oil makes a continuation of the status quo a good thing for China, hence selling weapons to help keep the current government in power.

    China finally quit blocking a UN peace keeping force. EU may add troops to new UN Darfur force The chances of the US or Europe intervening outside the UN were getting pretty high. Even Democrats (Joe Biden in particular) were starting to call for US troops in Darfur.

    Still, the best they can probably hope for is something similar to Bosnia - an unresolved situation where fighting is prevented by an outside force (NATO) that can't leave any time soon. You can't force people to like one another with a gun - you can only force them to wait until you leave to start fighting each other again.
     
  6. Aug 13, 2007 #5

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    Yes they could, assuming they were so motivated. The US and some its allies are invested in Iraq and Afghanistan at the moment. Darfur has little strategic interest.

    China is certainly enabling the Sudanese government to continue the conflict. It is basically an internal ethnic conflict - something akin to domestic violence.

    As for Darfur -
    http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/7240/?mission=6733

    http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/3078

    http://www.savedarfur.org/content?splash=yes

    http://www.theirc.org/media/www/darfur_hope_amid_the_violence.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict



    http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/10144
     
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  8. Sep 4, 2007 #7

    Astronuc

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    There certainly is an ethnic/racial component to this. Arab (predominantly Muslim) vs African (Muslim)

    Consider -
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fur_people

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masalit

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaghawa

    from http://www.guardian.co.uk/sudan/story/0,14658,1268773,00.html

    See also - http://www.sudanupdate.org/REPORTS/PEOPLES/Darf.htm

    Assessment for Darfur Black Muslims in Sudan
    http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/mar/assessment.asp?groupId=62504


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliography_of_the_Darfur_conflict

    Meanwhile -

    Death Rate in Darfur Seen Declining
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13997887

    Doctor Describes Scene in Darfur
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13926362

    Rights Group: Sudan Still Sends Weapons to Darfur
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13935733
     
  9. Nov 27, 2007 #8
    It appears the long overdue UN peacekeeping force may not be deployed at all: Sudan actions cast doubt on peace force: U.N. official
     
  10. Nov 27, 2007 #9
    The Chinese hold too much of the US's debt (and subsequently US dollars) for the US or any other 'european' nation to intervene. I think the UK is capable of stopping the genocide, as is the US and maybe France.
    Darfur, and Sudan for that matter, are greater strategic interests for Uganda, Libya and Egypt than they are for the US or any european nation.
     
  11. Nov 29, 2007 #10
  12. Nov 30, 2007 #11

    JPC

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    Why not that much for the European Nations ? It would make a good publicity ?
     
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