Decelerating at 1g into a black hole

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The discussion centers on the theoretical scenario of a spaceship decelerating at 1g as it approaches the event horizon of a supermassive black hole, referencing Kip Thorne's work. Participants explore the implications of this motion within the framework of the Schwarzschild metric, focusing on the calculation of elapsed time and the nature of the trajectory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the motion described is along a geodesic, while another counters that it cannot be, as geodesics imply free fall.
  • There is a suggestion to calculate the proper elapsed time by integrating the norm of the tangent vector along the path taken.
  • A participant provides the Schwarzschild metric and discusses the implications of setting dθ² to zero, leading to a reformulation of the metric in terms of proper time.
  • Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the velocity term in the equation, with one participant noting that it resembles velocity rather than acceleration and inquiring about the need for a second derivative.
  • Participants discuss the conservation of total energy and the constants of motion in the context of the scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of the motion (geodesic vs. non-geodesic) and the interpretation of the mathematical formulation, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex mathematical formulations and assumptions about the nature of motion near a black hole, which may not be fully resolved or agreed upon by all participants.

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In Kip Thorne's book "Timewarps" he describes a hypothetical spaceship decelerating almost to the event horizon of a supermassive black hole, and says that the manoevre takes 13 years. I assume that the motion is along a geodesic.

In terms of the Schwarzschild metric, how would this motion be described and how would the elapsed time be calculated?
 
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It's definitely not along a geodesic. That means free fall.
 
as for the proper elapsed time, just calculate the integral of the norm for the tangent vector along the path taken.
 
How exactly?

The metric is [tex]d \tau ^2 = \left(1- \frac{2M}{r}\right)dt^2- \frac{dr^2}{\left(1- \frac{2m}{r}\right)} -r^2 d \theta^2[/tex]

Assuming [tex]d \theta^2 = 0[/tex], the remainder can be divided through by [tex]d \tau ^2[/tex] to give

[tex]1 = \left(1- \frac{2M}{r}\right)\left(\frac{dt}{d\tau}\right)^2 - \frac{1}{\left(1- \frac{2m}{r}\right)}\left(\frac{dr}{d \tau}\right)^2[/tex]

The fraction [tex]\left(\frac{dr}{d \tau}\right)[/tex] looks something like a velocity and not an acceleration. Is a second derivative is added to the equation somewhere?

What are the constants of the motion? Is total energy conserved?
 

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