Defense of pilot wave theory against Motl

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The discussion revolves around the defense of pilot wave theory, particularly in response to criticisms from a participant named Motl. The conversation touches on the challenges of simplifying complex physics concepts while maintaining mathematical rigor, and the advantages of the Bohmian interpretation of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a rebuttal to Motl's criticisms of pilot wave theory, indicating a defense of the theory.
  • Another participant emphasizes the difficulty of simplifying physics, especially for those who are adept at understanding complex concepts.
  • A claim is made that some brilliant physicists may overlook the advantages of the Bohmian interpretation due to their intelligence, suggesting that they might miss the obvious.
  • There is a humorous acknowledgment that simplification can occur at the expense of mathematical rigor.
  • A later contribution argues for the importance of improving rigor while simplifying concepts, proposing that quantum particles should be viewed as vector-like objects rather than point-like, which could enhance both physical and mathematical understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the balance between simplification and mathematical rigor, with no clear consensus on the best approach to defending pilot wave theory against criticisms.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of mathematical rigor and the implications of viewing quantum particles as vector-like objects. The discussion does not clarify the specific criticisms made by Motl or the details of the rebuttal provided.

Ilja
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I remember somewhere (don't remember where) Motl's attack against pilot wave theory has been mentioned.

Here is my rebuttal: http://ilja-schmelzer.de/realism/Motl.php"
 
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I liked your "If there is a simple way to do the things, use it". Simplifying physics is no easy task, especially for smart people who are rapid at learning complicated physics.

Regards,
Arjen
 
ArjenDijksman said:
Simplifying physics is no easy task, especially for smart people who are rapid at learning complicated physics.
This is an excellent observation.
For brilliant physicists who fail to see the advantage of the Bohmian interpretation I often say something similar:
They are too clever to see the obvious.
 
we could simplify things but ignoring mathematical rigour ;D
 
zetafunction said:
we could simplify things but ignoring mathematical rigour ;D
But it is way better if we simplify things and improve rigour. A simple example is to stop considering quantum particles as point objects while they are in fact better represented by vectors, mathematical objects with spatial extension. So by considering quantum particles as arrow-like objects, we gain in physical and hence mathematical rigour.
 

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