Defining functions in terms of differential equations

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The discussion revolves around the concept of defining functions, particularly elementary and special functions, in terms of differential equations. Participants explore the implications and benefits of such definitions, including their potential to simplify calculus and establish relationships between functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes defining the natural logarithm as the solution to the initial value problem (IVP) y'[x] = e^-y[x], y[1]=0, and questions the general benefits of defining functions this way.
  • Another participant references a thread discussing the orthogonality of Legendre polynomials, emphasizing that such polynomials can be defined through differential equations.
  • A different participant notes that many elementary and special functions can be defined through various means, including differential equations, and suggests that this flexibility can simplify calculus and prove relationships.
  • One participant provides specific examples of defining cosine and sine functions through their respective differential equations and initial conditions, arguing that this method is preferable to traditional definitions based on right triangles.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the benefits of defining functions through differential equations, but there is no consensus on the overall value or implications of this approach. Multiple competing views on the definitions and their utility remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific documents and examples that may contain additional assumptions or limitations regarding the definitions of functions through differential equations, but these are not fully explored in the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in mathematics, particularly those exploring calculus, differential equations, and the relationships between different mathematical functions.

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I have set myself the task of teaching my Freshman in high school brother Calculus, and today while reviewing some topics I saw something I didn't see before.

To start out, I let y = ln[x] => x = e^y
Obviously, we know that y' = 1/x = e^-y

So, I "discovered" that one can define the natural logarithm as the solution to the IVP

y'[x] = e^-y[x], y[1]=0

I know this is a somewhat trivial example,
But my question is, is there anything to be gained by defining functions in this way in general?
 
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Absolutely! Check out https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=105050. It's kind of a long thread about the proof of the orthogonality of Legendre polynomials. I attached a pdf there (mine is the fifth message) showing such a proof which relies solely on the fact that Legendre polynomials satisfy a particular differential equation.
 
Hi !
almost all elementary and special functions can be defined in several ways, for example : integral, differential equation, series, inverse of an already defined function, etc.
This allows to prove many relationships. Using a convenient definition often simplifies the calculus or developments.
coming back to the differential équations, a list of the most common cases is presented in the pdf "Safari in the Contry of Special Functions":
http://www.scribd.com/JJacquelin/documents
The differential equations appear pp.30-36 in Table 1 : usual functions, Table 2 : special polynomials, Tables 6-9 : examples of special functions.
 
You can, for example, define "cos(x)" as "The solution to the differential equation, y''= -y, with initial conditions y(0)= 1, y'(0)= 0". You can similarly define "sin(x)" as "The solution to the differential equation, y''= -y, with initial conditions y(0)= 0, y'(0)= 1.

You can, then, prove all of the properties of those functions from those definitions.

This is better, for example, than just "arbitrarily" extending the usual "right triangle" definitions, which, of course, require that the angle be between 0 and 90 degrees, to any value of x.
 

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