Degenerate perturbation theory degeneracy not lifted by perturbation

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The discussion revolves around the application of degenerate perturbation theory to a specific equation involving Pauli matrices and a perturbation term. Participants explore the implications of the perturbation on the degeneracy of the solutions and the behavior of the system as parameters change. The focus is on theoretical reasoning and mathematical formulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation and suggests that the perturbation does not lift the degeneracy between the states, as it is scalar.
  • Another participant argues that the perturbation is off-diagonal and connects the eigenstates, potentially splitting the degeneracy.
  • There is a discussion about the correctness of the unperturbed solutions and their implications for the perturbation theory.
  • Participants explore the structure of the equations and the role of the eigenstates of the Pauli matrices in the context of perturbation theory.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to obtain the first-order correction to the eigenvector in the presence of degeneracy.
  • A later reply indicates that the first correction to certain parameters is second order, suggesting a nuanced understanding of the perturbation's effects.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the perturbation and its effects on degeneracy. There is no consensus on whether the perturbation lifts the degeneracy or how to properly apply degenerate perturbation theory in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the perturbation's effects may not be straightforward due to the degeneracy of the eigenstates and the specific structure of the perturbation. There are unresolved aspects regarding the treatment of the perturbation and the implications for the eigenstates.

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Hi,

I have an equation of the form

(-i \lambda \frac{d}{dr}\sigma_z+\Delta(r)\sigma_x) g =(\epsilon + \frac{\mu \hbar^2}{2mr^2}) g

where \sigma refers to the Pauli matrices, g is a two component complex vector and the term on the right hand side of the equation is small compared to the other terms. The authors of the paper where i found this equation (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0031916364903750) say that this can be handled using perturbation theory.

Ignoring the right hand side gives the possible solutions of g as

g=const (1,\pm i)^T e^{\pm K}

where

K=\frac{1}{\lambda}\int_0^r \Delta dr.

Since the known behaviour of \Delta is that it goes to a constant for large r, only the negative sign gives a well behaved function for large r.

Now as I see it both these states are zero energy solutions to the Hamiltonian

H_0= -i \lambda \frac{d}{dr} \sigma_z +\Delta(r) \sigma_x

and the perturbation

V=\epsilon +\frac{\mu \hbar^2}{2mr^2}

being a scalar does not remove the degeneracy between the states. I'm clueless how to proceed here...
 
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No, the perturbation is off-diagonal. If you let g± = g1 ± ig2, then you have roughly

λ dg±/dr ± iΔ g± = iε g
 
Bill_K said:
No, the perturbation is off-diagonal. If you let g± = g1 ± ig2, then you have roughly

λ dg±/dr ± iΔ g± = iε g


i'm sorry but i don't understand how that helps... the perturbation is ε+\frac{\mu\hbar^2}{2mr^2} and that term as I see it has the same eigenvalue/ expectation value for both g_+ = (1,1)^T (1+i) and g_- = (1,-1)^T (1-i). Did I misunderstand you?
 
Are you sure that your expression for the unperturbed g is correct?
 
Yes DrDu, I would be very surprised if it turns out to be incorrect...

the solution after treating it to first order, claim the authors, is
g=const (e^{i\psi/2}, -ie^{-i\psi/2})^T e^{-K}
where
\psi(r)=-\int_r^{\infty}e^{2K(r)-2K(r')} \frac{2}{\lambda}\left(\epsilon +\frac{\mu\hbar^2}{2mr'^2}\right) dr'.

As you can see this reduces to the solution above as the perturbation is turned off.
 
Yes, I was wrong here. You can easily see that the unperturbed eigenfunction must be an eigenstate of sigma_y by multiplying the whole equation by sigma_z and using that sigma_z^2=1 and sigma_y sigma_x is proportional to sigma_y. Then you also see that the right hand side becomes proportional to sigma_z which is not diagonal in the basis of the eigenstates of sigma_y.

The structure becomes even clearer upon the cyclic substitution sigma_z->sigma_x, sigma_y-> sigma_z, and sigma_x-> sigma_y. The resulting equations then look basically like the ones given by Bill_K.
 
tamaghna said:
i'm sorry but i don't understand how that helps... the perturbation is ε+\frac{\mu\hbar^2}{2mr^2} and that term as I see it has the same eigenvalue/ expectation value for both g_+ = (1,1)^T (1+i) and g_- = (1,-1)^T (1-i). Did I misunderstand you?
The perturbation does not have the same eigenvectors. It is an off-diagonal term that connects one of the eigenvectors g± with the other. Consequently its effect is to split the degeneracy.

You are apparently thinking of it as proportional to the identity matrix, and therefore the same in every direction, but it is not. Write the matrix equation out as a pair of coupled equations for the components of g, and you'll see your error.
 
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Thanks, DrDu. That does seem to be a good idea. And your explanation explains Bill_K's suggestion.
If i label the unperturbed solutions as |g_1> and |g_2> then the vectors
g_{\pm}=e^{-K}|g_1> \pm e^{K}|g_2>
are proportional to \sigma_z eigenstates and are therefore the perturbation is indeed diagonal in this basis and off diagonal in the original one. So in this basis the first order shifts in energy are given by \pm (\epsilon + ..).

However, there is still the problem that the two states thus found are degenerate eigenstates of the hamiltonian H_0. From what i know of degenerate perturbation theory, the corrections to the eigenvectors actually arise from coupling to the non-degenerate subspace of solutions. It seems to me that in this problem the only states are degenerate. In this situation Sakurai says "Note also that if the degenerate subspace were the whole space, we would have solved the problem exactly in this manner." But its obvious that the sigma_z eigenstates are not the solutions to the full problem. How do I get the first order correction to the eigenvector |g_2>?
 
All right, i did manage to did it down eventually by writing
g=e^{-(K+\delta K)}(e^{i\psi/2},-i e^{-i\psi/2})^T
and solving for \delta K and \psi to first order.
The resulting differential equations for \delta K and \psi show that the first correction to K is second order and \psi comes out as given earlier.

Possibly this is what the authors meant by treating the right hand side as a perturbation, and not the whole machinery of perturbation theory.
 

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