Dependent current source, find Vo

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The discussion revolves around finding the voltage V0 in a circuit involving a dependent current source and various resistors. Participants explore methods for simplifying the circuit and applying relevant electrical principles, including voltage and current division. The context is primarily homework-related, focusing on circuit analysis.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes simplifying the 1k and 3k resistors to 4k and questions the simplification of the 6k and 12k resistors in parallel.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that resistors can be simplified in series due to the presence of separate paths and currents in the circuit.
  • A suggestion is made to redraw the circuit with simplified resistances to facilitate analysis.
  • One participant acknowledges confusion regarding the simplification of resistors in a constant current source context and expresses doubt about the initial voltage calculation of 384V.
  • A later reply calculates the current through a branch using the current division rule and finds V0 to be 36V, indicating a different approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the simplification of resistors and the application of current division, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of the current source and the configuration of the resistors, which may affect the analysis. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the application of circuit analysis techniques in this specific context.

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Homework Statement



http://imageshack.us/a/img26/4592/homeworkprintprob.jpg Find the voltage V0 in the network.

Homework Equations



V = IR

Voltage Division:
(Voltage across series resistor) = [(resistance) / total series resistance)](total input V)

Current Division (for 2 parallel resistors):
(current across parallel resistor) = [(other resistor) / (sum of parallel resistors)](total incoming current)]

The Attempt at a Solution



I can simplify the 1k and 3k resistors to 4k no matter what.

I'm not sure if I can simplify the 6k and 12k on the bottom as parallel though, but they will be 4k.

4k + 4k + 2k in series becomes 10k, assuming you can do that with the current source.

Then 10k + 6k makes

R total = 16k ohm, and then I tot = 24 mA

V = IR means Vtot = 384V.

Then voltage division would make

V0 = [ (6k)/(6k+10k) ](384V) = 144V

would this be correct?
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
I can simplify the 1k and 3k resistors to 4k no matter what.

I'm not sure if I can simplify the 6k and 12k on the bottom as parallel though, but they will be 4k.
Yes, okay so far.
4k + 4k + 2k in series becomes 10k, assuming you can do that with the current source.
Nope. Can't do that. There are separate paths with separate currents; there's a loop to the left of the current source and a loop to the right of the current source. The current will be different in the two loops. You might think about using the current division rule to see how much of the 24mA from the source flows in each loop...
 
Why don't you draw a simpler schematic?

You said the 12 and 6 make 4. The 3 and 1 make 4. The 2 and 6 make 8. So draw it with those 3 resistances and see what you can make of it.

BTW, it's not a dependent current source, it's a constant current source.
 
I can simplify the 1k and 3k resistors to 4k no matter what.

I'm not sure if I can simplify the 6k and 12k on the bottom as parallel though, but they will be 4k.

What others have said. OK so far.

If you redraw the circuit at this point you should see that a further simplification can be made.

Should be possible to treat it as a current divider at that point.
 
I got confused and thought you could simplify the resistors in series like that since it was a constant current source, heh. Never mind then. 384V seemed way too high too.
So then: :

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7570/homeworkprintprobedit.jpg and then doing current division:

Current through right branch = (4k/16k)(24 mA) = 6 mA

and then V knot is just V = IR, since current is the same through parallel elements

V knot = (6 mA)(6 kΩ) = 36VThanks.
 
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That's what I make it.
 

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