Derivation of capacitance for two shells

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the capacitance for a spherical capacitor formed by two concentric, spherical conducting shells separated by vacuum. The original poster seeks to understand the relationship between the inner radius r and the outer radius R in the context of capacitance equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the derivation of capacitance equations for a spherical capacitor and expresses confusion regarding the transition from a single inner sphere to two shells. Participants discuss the implications of the radii in the capacitance formulas and question the assumptions about the relationship between R and r.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the definitions and relationships between the radii in the capacitance equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the formulas, but there is still uncertainty about the conditions under which these formulas apply, particularly concerning the radii of the shells.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the assumption that R must be greater than r, as well as the implications of having two shells at equal radii, which some participants suggest would lead to infinite capacitance.

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Homework Statement


A spherical capacitor is formed from two concentric, spherical, conducting shells separated by vacuum. The inner sphere has radius r the capacitance is C.

What is the outer radius R?

Already solved the problem, but I'm more wondering on how to derive the equation that I used.

Homework Equations


Capacitance for a solid inner sphere and outer shell is:

$$\frac {4πε} {\frac {1} {R} - \frac {1} {r}}$$

While for two shells at equal radii, the capacitance is:

$$ \frac {4πε*r*R} {R - r}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


The first equation is simple to figure out, but I'm not really sure how and why making the problem into two shells causes that change.
 
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If you write ##\frac{1}{R} - \frac{1}{r}## as a single fraction, you will see that the two formulas are the same, except R is the smaller radius in the first formula while R is the larger radius in the second formula.
 
Stendhal said:
While for two shells at equal radii, the capacitance is:
$$ \frac {4πε*r*R} {R - r}$$
Two shells at equal radii? So what are R and r? The capacitance between two shells of "equal radii" would be infinite ...
 
TSny said:
If you write ##\frac{1}{R} - \frac{1}{r}## as a single fraction, you will see that the two formulas are the same, except R is the smaller radius in the first formula while R is the larger radius in the second formula.

I'm still not getting what you're saying there.
rude man said:
Two shells at equal radii? So what are R and r? The capacitance between two shells of "equal radii" would be infinite ...
Whoops, that would change how the question works a lot. My bad, R is suppose to be greater than r.
 
Stendhal said:
I'm still not getting what you're saying there.
Whoops, that would change how the question works a lot. My bad, R is suppose to be greater than r.
If R > r then your first formula in your first post gives negative capacitance so you know that must be wrong!
To correct it, swap r and R. Then you get your second formula! Capiche?
 

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