Derivation of Noether currents under Lorentz Transformation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Noether currents specifically under Lorentz transformations, focusing on massless real scalar fields and electromagnetic fields. Participants seek explicit derivations and clarification on the associated currents.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests explicit derivations for Noether currents related to massless scalar fields and electromagnetic fields.
  • Another participant suggests that the Noether current for Lorentz transformations can be derived and mentions the Energy-Momentum tensor as a result.
  • A participant provides a specific expression for the Noether current associated with the scalar field: j^{μσμ} = x^ρT^{\mu σ} - x^σT^{\mu ρ}, but expresses uncertainty about the derivation process.
  • There is a clarification that the Energy-Momentum tensor is associated with translation currents, while the current for Lorentz transformations is a rank-3 moment tensor.
  • A participant mentions a PDF containing work on Noether's theorem and indicates an intention to finish reviewing it in the coming weeks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the derivation of Noether currents, with some seeking clarity and others providing partial insights. No consensus on the derivation process is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical expressions and concepts without fully resolving the derivation steps or assumptions involved in the Noether currents under Lorentz transformations.

bagherihan
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Is there anywhere I can see the explicit derivation for a massless real scalar and for the EM field?
thank you.
 
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What do you actually mean?
You can always try to find the Noether current for Lorentz transformations in both cases...The result current I think is the Energy Momentum tensor...
 
I mean for example that I saw that for the scalar field it is :
<br /> j^{μσμ} = x^ρT^{\mu \sigma} - x^σT^{\mu ρ}<br />
I don't know how to get there, so I'd like to see the full derivation.
 
ChrisVer said:
What do you actually mean?
You can always try to find the Noether current for Lorentz transformations in both cases...The result current I think is the Energy Momentum tensor...

The energy momentum tensor is the translation current. The current associated with Lorentz transformations is the rank-3 moment tensor. As a rule, when the parameter of the transformation carry n space-time indices, the associated current is a rank (n+1) tensor.
 
bagherihan said:
I mean for example that I saw that for the scalar field it is :
<br /> j^{μσμ} = x^ρT^{\mu \sigma} - x^σT^{\mu ρ}<br />
I don't know how to get there, so I'd like to see the full derivation.

You find it in PDF below. The work is about Noether theorem. I have not finished it yet, I will try (if time allows me) to finish it in the next 2 to 3 weeks
 

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