Derivation Of Torque On Current Loop Due To Uniform Magnetic Field

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of torque on a current loop in a uniform magnetic field, specifically for circular and rectangular loops. The net torque for a circular loop is established as ##4\tau=BIA##, while for a rectangular loop, it is ##BIA##, with the torque dependent on the angle of the magnetic field. The conversation also explores the generalization of these derivations for various loop shapes and the application of integral theorems to express torque as a circulation integral around the loop.

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Homework Statement
Derive an expression for torque due to uniform magnetic field in a loop
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$$\tau=BINA\sin \theta$$
I can derive it for a circular loop:
$$dF=BI\sin\phi\ dl=BIr\sin\phi\ d\phi$$
Torque on quarter circle when field is parallel to plane of loop=$$\tau=\int^{(\pi/2)}_0 BI \ dl \sin\phi (r\sin\phi)$$$$=\int^{(\pi/2)}_0 BIr^2 \sin^2\phi\ d\phi$$
Net torque=##4\tau=BIA##
If magnetic field is at any other angle, only its parallel component will exert torque=##BIA\sin\theta##
I know the derivation for rectangular loop(length=l, breadth=b).
Force on each arm =##IbB ##
Torque=##2IbB\frac{a}{2}=BIA##
If magnetic field is at any other angle, only its parallel component will exert torque=##BIA\sin\theta##
Is there a general derivation for such cases that holds for (at least the most common shapes)? Will it be too advanced for my level?
 
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Write down the integral expression for the torque as a circulation integral around the loop. Then apply a suitable integral theorem.
 
Orodruin said:
Write down the integral expression for the torque as a circulation integral around the loop. Then apply a suitable integral theorem.
Ok that seems advanced for me🫤
 
Then prove it for a square loop, then approximate the full loop by a series of several ever smaller square loops (the torques from sides shared by two squares will cancel out since the current runs in opposite directions - leaving only the outer loop). However, this is essentially proving the integral theorem.
 
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Orodruin said:
Write down the integral expression for the torque as a circulation integral around the loop. Then apply a suitable integral theorem.
Hasn't he done almost this in the OP, the only thing that changes for a generic loop is that r depends on phi, right?

EDIT: OH I think in the OP he omits the other vector constituent of the torque (##BIdl\sin\phi (r\cos\phi)## which sums to zero for a circular loop but doesnt sum to zero for a generic loop.)

EDIT2: On second thought that integral is zero for any loop shape. This thread triggered an interesting not so hard math problem:
If ##r(\phi)## is a positive function with period ##2\pi## prove that $$\int_0^{2\pi} r^2(\phi)\sin(\phi)\cos(\phi)d\phi=0$$ and $$\int_0^{2\pi} r^2(\phi)=2A$$ where A the area of the closed loop described by ##r=r(\phi)##.

EDIT3: On ... third thought this problem is not so simple after all if one wants a mathematically rigorous proof for any closed loop but ok I tried my best, I haven't read any derivation from a book from this I ll check Jackson to see if it has it.
 
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