Derivation of voltage for vacuum diode space charge region

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of voltage in the space charge region of a vacuum diode, specifically focusing on a second-order differential equation relating voltage and position.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different methods to solve the differential equation, including separation of variables and reducing it to first-order equations. Questions arise regarding the validity of these methods and the implications of the differing solutions obtained.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the methods attempted and questioning the assumptions made. Some clarification has been offered regarding the application of separation of variables to the problem at hand.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment of a misunderstanding regarding the method of separation of variables, particularly in the context of a second-order differential equation. Participants are reflecting on their approaches and the implications of their findings.

Nuahaun
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
I have found the 1D differential equation relating voltage and position for a vacuum diode in the space charge region, which is

\frac{d^2V}{dx^2} = constant * V^{-1/2}

and I know the solution to be

V(x) = V_0 \left(\frac{x}{d}\right)^{4/3}

which is found by multiplying both sides by V' = \frac{dV}{dx} and then integrating the following expression with homogeneous boundary conditions:

\int V' dV' = constant*\int V^{-1/2} dV

What I don't understand is why this trick is even necessary. As far as I can tell the differential equation can be solved by a simple separation of variables, which gives an answer of

V(x) = V_0 \left(\frac{x}{d}\right)^{4/5}

The two answers are different so obviously it's a mistake to separate variables, but for the life of me I can't tell where it is. Could anyone enlighten me? Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Nuahaun said:
What I don't understand is why this trick is even necessary. As far as I can tell the differential equation can be solved by a simple separation of variables, which gives an answer of

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "separation of variables" in this case. To apply separation of variables, V would have to be a function of more than one variable; but in this case, it is a function of only x. SOV is typically used to turn PDEs into ODEs, not to solve an ODE.

I can only guess that what you meant to say was that you tried treating it as a "separable differential equation"; but you have a second order DE...how exactly does one integrate V^{1/2} d^2 V and dx^2?
 
yeah wasn't totally sure what was meant, however a trick to reduce it to 2 first order DEs as follows:

First write
P = V' = \frac{dV}{dx}
then
P' = V" = \frac{dp}{dx} = \frac{dp}{dV}.\frac{dV}{dx} = p.\frac{dp}{dV}

otherwise just assume solutions V~xy diff & equate coeffs
 
Last edited:
Thanks for your replies. My mistake was that I though I could solve V^{1/2} d^2 V = dx^2, which stemmed from an incomplete understanding of the method of separation of variables (I took the fact that you could solve something like d^2x/dt^2= F/m using double integration, and incorrectly applied that to the differential equation above). I reviewed my notes, and now see why that isn't possible.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K