Deriving the Formula for 2D Motion with Constant Acceleration

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The discussion focuses on deriving the formula for the range of a projectile under constant acceleration, specifically addressing the equations for 2D motion. The user attempts to derive the range formula R=Vi^2 * 2sinθcosθ/g but initially arrives at R=Vi^2 * sinθcosθ/g due to misunderstanding the time variable involved in projectile motion. Clarifications are requested regarding the time of flight and the correct interpretation of the equations, particularly the role of time in the derived formulas. Additional feedback emphasizes the need to clearly define variables and the context of the problem, as well as to ensure that the equations account for the entire flight duration. The user seeks further guidance on how to properly derive the equation y=xtanθ - [x^2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)^2].
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1. Homework Statement
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how to get
R=Vi 2 sin2θ/g
y=x*tanθ-[x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]

Homework Equations


Vy=Vi*sinθ-gt
y=Vi*sinθ*t-1/2gt^2
Vx=Vi*cosθ
x=Vi*cosθ*t

The Attempt at a Solution


I use this formula to find the expression for t
Vy=Vi*sinθ-gt
gt=Vi*sinθ
t=Vi*sinθ/g

I substitute it into xf=xi+Vi*t+1/2at^2 (a=0)
xf=xi+Vi*cosθ*t
I get
R=Vi2*sinθcosθ/g
But the correct one is R=Vi2*2sinθcosθ/g
What's wrong with it?
I also see this formula in my book
y=xtanθ - [x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]
how to figure out it?
thank you
 
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kelvin56484984 said:
I use this formula to find the expression for t
Vf=Vi*sinθ-gt
gt=Vi*sinθ
t=Vi*sinθ/g

It would be a good idea when stating the problem to describe the situation you are dealing with. Apparently it is projectile motion and not just any 2D motion. You leave it to the reader to figure out whether the projectile returns to the same height it was fired, etc. You did not define the symbols in your equations.

It would also be a good idea to include an x or y subscript on the velocities to indicate which component of velocity your are working with.

Does the expression for t given above represent the time for the entire flight or for only part of the flight?
 
Thanks for adding the figure. When you calculated the expression for t, what time during the flight does this represent?
 
The time taken for the particle reach the highest point which is t
And the time taken for R is 2t
I forget it is 2t previously so I get some mistakes
But I still don't know how to figured out
y=xtanθ - [x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]
Thank you
 
kelvin56484984 said:

Homework Equations


Vy=Vi*sinθ-gt
y=Vi*sinθ*t-1/2gt^2
Vx=Vi*cosθ
x=Vi*cosθ*t
Work with the second and fourth equations.
 
kelvin56484984 said:
But I still don't know how to figured out
y=xtanθ - [x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]
You have,
kelvin56484984 said:
y=Vi*sinθ*t-1/2gt^2
and
kelvin56484984 said:
x=Vi*cosθ*t
And there is no time variable in the required equation..
 
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