Deriving the Pendulum Time Period Formula from "Fundamentals of Physics

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The discussion focuses on deriving the time period formula for a simple pendulum as presented in "Fundamentals of Physics" by Young and Freedman. The formula incorporates a complete elliptic integral rather than a straightforward Taylor series expansion of the sine function, applicable for larger angles. The time period is expressed as T = 4·sqrt(b/g) ∫0 to π/2 dφ/sqrt[1-k²sin²(φ)], where k = sin(θ/2), b is the pendulum's radius, and θ is the maximum angle. The conversation emphasizes that this formula is relevant for cases where the angle is not small enough for the usual approximations. Understanding this derivation is crucial for accurately calculating pendulum motion beyond the small angle approximation.
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In the book "Fundamentals of Physics" by H D Young and Freedman,there is formula about the time period of simple pendulum which uses sine function in a complex way which i think is obtained by series expansion of sine function either by Maclurin or Tayler series.
Can anyone please tell me how to derive the formula?
 
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Can you please post the formula here so we'll have a more clear idea of what you are talking about?
 
What Young and Freedman show is the period of a simple pendulum as a function of the initial angle (in other words, for angles that do not satisfy the usual small angle approximation). They present a series approximation to the exact solution, which involves solving an elliptic integral. (It's not a simple Taylor series expansion of a sine function.)

Read this: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/pendl.html#c1"
 
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The time period is

t = sqrt(b/g) ∫oπ/2 dφ/sqrt[1-k2sin2(φ)]

where k= sin(θ/2), b= radius of pendulum, θ= max angle, and the integral is the complete elliptic integral of the first kind..

Bob S
 
According to Rigid-body rotation Law ,you can get a formula
mglsinθ=-ml^2*(d2θ/dt2)
m is the mass of the ball ,l is the length of the rope and θ is the angle between the rope and vertical.
According to Talyor series ,when θ is very small,sinθ=θ.
Then it turns to (d2θ/dt2)+g/l *θ=0,and it is a Second-order differential equations with constant coefficients. The result is θ=Asin(sqr(g/l)*t) A is Amplitude
It's clearly that Vibration cycle is 2π*sqr(l/g)
 
ftfaaa said:
According to Talyor series ,when θ is very small,sinθ=θ.
We're talking about the case where θ is not small enough for that approximation.
 
Bob S said:
The time period is

t = sqrt(b/g) ∫oπ/2 dφ/sqrt[1-k2sin2(φ)]

where k= sin(θ/2), b= radius of pendulum, θ= max angle, and the integral is the complete elliptic integral of the first kind..
The above answer is actually for a quarter period. The full period is 4 times the above answer:

T = 4·sqrt(b/g) ∫oπ/2 dφ/sqrt[1-k2sin2(φ)]

Bob S
 
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