Determination of intermolecular forces using surface tension

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining intermolecular interaction energy using surface tension, specifically in the context of liquid ethanol. Participants are exploring the relationship between surface tension, coordination number, and intermolecular forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to relate surface tension to intermolecular interaction energy, questioning how to use the coordination number in this context. There is discussion about the appropriate value of the coordination number at the surface versus in the bulk.

Discussion Status

Some participants are sharing insights and resources, while others are seeking clarification on how to systematically determine the coordination number for surface molecules and derive relevant equations. Multiple interpretations of the coordination number's application are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential misunderstanding in the problem title regarding intermolecular forces versus intermolecular energy. Participants are also referencing external resources for further understanding.

Telemachus
Messages
820
Reaction score
30
Hi there. I have found the surface tension for liquid etanol on a given problem. Then the problem says: supposing that the coordination number for etanol is 12, what value does the intermolecular interaction energy has?
I have ##\gamma=21,26355\frac{dyna}{cm}##, gamma is the surface tension that I've found.

The coordination number gives the number of molecules around one molecule in the liquid. I think that because the surface tension happens in the interface, the coordination number in there is 12/2=6.

I also know that ##\gamma=F/2l##, I have this in my notes from class. This is what you get by analysing the virtual work by pushing a thin film a ##\Delta x## distance.

##F\Delta x=2l\Delta x \gamma##

PS: I made a mistake in the title, it's not the determination of intermolecular forces, but intermolecular energy.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Telemachus said:
The coordination number gives the number of molecules around one molecule in the liquid. I think that because the surface tension happens in the interface, the coordination number in there is 12/2=6.
A quick Google on the subject suggests it will be more than half. I see a couple of places where a bulk number of 6 is presumed to correspond to a surface number of 5. But I couldn't find a general rule or any theoretical basis for the assumption. With optimally stacked spheres, each interior sphere has 12 neighbours, while each on a flat surface would have 9.
 
Thanks for your answer. Do you have any idea on how to determine the interaction energy using the surface tension and the coordination number?
 
Telemachus said:
Do you have any idea on how to determine the interaction energy using the surface tension and the coordination number?
It's a field I know nothing about, but see if this helps: http://mail.vssd.nl/hlf/d007ch02.pdf
 
Thank you very much. I think it will help.

I would need to know how to determinate systematically the coordination number for molecules in the surface. And I would like to know also how to derive the equations (2.4) to (2.8).
 

Similar threads

Replies
39
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
7K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K