Determine resultant resistance in network (Thévenin)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the resultant resistance in a Wheatstone bridge circuit between points A and B, exploring various methods including Y-Delta transformations and mesh analysis. The context is primarily homework-related, with participants sharing approaches and challenges encountered in the analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in identifying pure series or parallel resistances in the circuit.
  • Another participant identifies the circuit as a Wheatstone bridge and suggests looking for existing analyses online.
  • There is mention of transforming delta networks to star networks as a potential approach to simplify the circuit.
  • One participant proposes inserting a 1 amp current source or a 1 volt voltage source to use nodal or mesh analysis for finding the input resistance.
  • Another participant confirms the utility of using a voltage source to determine network resistance through mesh analysis.
  • A participant indicates they resolved their issue with finding the Thévenin voltage using mesh current analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants share various methods for analyzing the circuit, but there is no consensus on a single approach. Multiple competing views on how to simplify the network and calculate the resistance remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific transformations and analysis methods, but the discussion does not resolve the effectiveness or appropriateness of these methods for the given circuit.

Who May Find This Useful

Students or individuals interested in circuit analysis, particularly those studying Wheatstone bridges or Thévenin's theorem, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement


I need to calculate the resultant resistance between points A and B
The |-| parts are short curcuited ideal DC power supplies (illustration only)

This is the circuit:
Th%C3%A9venin.jpg



Homework Equations


R_P = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{R1}+\frac{1}{R3}+\frac{1}{Rn}}
R_S = R_1 + R_2 + R_N


The Attempt at a Solution


I can't find any pure series or pure parallel resistance, so I really do not know where to start at this.
Simulation in Multisim gives me a resistance at 5.7 Ohm.
 
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Thank you.
Also, someone whispered that i had to transfer the two deltas to star-networks, so I am working on that one now.
 
Twinflower said:
Thank you.
Also, someone whispered that i had to transfer the two deltas to star-networks, so I am working on that one now.

It's sufficient to just transform one of the star networks (eg the 4.5, 5, 6 ohms) to delta.

Other ways are to insert a 1 amp current source between A and B and to use nodal analysis to find the input voltage (which is numerically equal to the input resistance) or to insert a 1 volt voltage source between A and B and use mesh analysis to find the input current (which is numerically equal to the input conductance).
 
TADA

wheatstone.jpg
 
Nicely done. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you would need to use Y-Delta conversion to simplify a network and can't remember the formulas you can always slap a 1V voltage source on the network (across AB) and use mesh analysis (or your own favorite method) to find the current, I, that this source will be driving into the network. The network resistance is then given by R = V/I.
 
Thank you gneill :)

I have a further question about this problem as I am stuck with finding the thévenin voltage of the network, but I haven't found the time to create a new post showing my attempts yet.

stay tuned
 
Ok, I solved that issue using mesh current analysis. No further assistance needed from my part in this thread :)
 

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