Determine source frequency and impedance

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The discussion focuses on determining the source frequency and impedance in a series circuit with a resistor and inductor. The initial calculations yield a frequency of 26.53 Hz, but the correct frequency is identified as 150.4 Hz through phasor analysis. Participants clarify that the voltage across the inductor is not equal to the source voltage and emphasize the importance of using phasors for accuracy. The final impedance is confirmed as Z=5+j28.4. The conversation highlights the significance of careful algebraic manipulation to avoid errors in complex circuit problems.
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Homework Statement


The current in a series circuit of R=5 ohms and L=30 mH lags the applied voltage by 80 degrees. Determine the source frequency and impedance.
(Ans: Z=5+j28.4 , f=150.4 Hz)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Current in the inductor,
IL = Vm/wL*sin(wt-80)

Current in the resistor,
Ir = Vm/R * sin(wt-80)

Current in the resistor equals current in conductor
Equating them you get,
1/wL = 1/R
1/w(30*10-3) = 1/5
w = 166.67 rad/s

w = 2*pi*f
f = w/2*pi
= 166.67/2*pi
= 26.53Hz

But they get a frequency of 150.4Hz
 
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have you learned phasors yet? if you have there is an easy way to do this problem.

That being said, your problem is voltage Vm is equel to the voltage drop across the inductor AND the resistor. They are is series. Therefore the voltage drop across the inductor is not vm. You also wrote your time domain equation wrong.
 
donpacino said:
have you learned phasors yet? if you have there is an easy way to do this problem.

That being said, your problem is voltage Vm is equel to the voltage drop across the inductor AND the resistor. They are is series. Therefore the voltage drop across the inductor is not vm. You also wrote your time domain equation wrong.

Yes, I have done phasors

I think I found a way using phasors

if z = x∠80

Then, x*cos(80) = 5 (The real part, which is the value of the resistor)

Therefore x = 28.79

So, z = 28.79∠80

Therefore the impedance of the inductor is equal to 28.79sin(80) = j28.4

Angular frequency for inductor
z = jWL
W = 28.4/30*10-3
= 946.67 rad/s

Therefore the frequency is
w/2*pi
= 946.67/2*pi
= 150.67Hz

I think that's correct, yes ?

Thanks
 
yes! here is how i did it

i=v/z
z=R+LS

we know I=mag(I)∠-80
so z=mag(z)∠80=sqrt(R2+(Lw)2)∠tan-1(Lw/R)

80=tan-1(Lw/R)
solve for w

in other words, the same thing, but used algebra until the end. I recommend you do that, with more complicated problems avoiding calculations until the end can prevent mistakes.
 
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donpacino said:
yes! here is how i did it

i=v/z
z=R+LS

we know I=mag(I)∠-80
so z=mag(z)∠80=sqrt(R2+(Lw)2)∠tan-1(Lw/R)

80=tan-1(Lw/R)
solve for w

in other words, the same thing, but used algebra until the end. I recommend you do that, with more complicated problems avoiding calculations until the end can prevent mistakes.

Yeah, I see my final answer was a bit off there

Thanks for you help :smile:
 

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