Determine the natural frequency

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To determine the natural frequency of the system, the equation ω=(k/m)^0.5 is relevant, where k is the spring stiffness and m is the mass. The mass is given as 4 kg, and the spring stiffness is 28 kN/m. There is confusion regarding the calculation of effective mass and the use of symbols, as reusing symbols can lead to errors. It's emphasized that finding the equation of motion from first principles is crucial to accurately identify the effective mass. Making assumptions without proper analysis is discouraged in this context.
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Homework Statement


Determine the natural frequency in Hz of the system sketched below given the following values:
Mass m=4kg Spring stiffness k=28kN/m Length a=121mm Length b=93mm

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ω=(k/m)^0.5

The Attempt at a Solution


so probably I need to find m
should I multiply 4*9.81*(0.93+1.21)?
 

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cxz7410 said:
ω=(k/m)^0.5
m is used for the mass already, you shouldn't reuse symbols for different things. Where can you use that formula?

What is the potential energy of the system (and its components) if the spring is extended by a length x?
 
cxz7410 said:
ω=(k/m)^0.5
That formula only applies to the usual simple arrangement of spring and mass.
cxz7410 said:
probably I need to find m
While it is true that you can make your quoted formula work by finding an "effective" mass for the m in it to represent, it is not at all obvious how to find it. Indeed, that approach would be backwards. You need to find the equation of motion from first principles. Having found that you will see what the effective mass is in this arrangement. It is a very bad idea to go making wild guesses.
 
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