Determining force required to rip or tear sheetmetal

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The discussion revolves around determining the force required to tear sheet metal, specifically in the context of a sheet metal door with a gas cylinder attachment. Participants are exploring the calculations related to stress and failure mechanisms in sheet metal, as well as the implications of different attachment methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is seeking formulas to calculate the force required to prevent tearing of sheet metal at the mounting location of a gas cylinder.
  • Another participant calculates the maximum force using the formula for stress, but questions the validity of their result given the actual force applied by the gas shock.
  • A participant suggests that the method of attachment (weld, screws, etc.) significantly affects the calculations and that the initial calculation may have overestimated the area supporting the load.
  • One participant points out that the critical issue may be the pull-out strength of the screws used to attach the gas shock, proposing to estimate the load required to rip out one screw.
  • Another participant disagrees, stating that the tearing is occurring at the bottom of the bracket, implying a different failure mechanism.
  • A participant requests a visual representation of the setup to provide more meaningful feedback on the issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary cause of the tearing and the relevant calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach to determine the force required to prevent tearing, and multiple competing perspectives are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided a complete picture of the setup, and assumptions regarding material properties, load distribution, and failure modes remain unresolved.

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Hi All.
I am working on a problem at work that is basically sheetmetal tearing due to a force being applied.

We have a sheetmetal door which we added a gas cylinder to help lift, the problem is the sheetmetal is tearing at the mounting location of the gas cylinder.
I know that the stress is causing the failure and that increasing the thickness of the mounting location will solve the problem but i want to wrap some formulas around it to make sure I am going big enough.

Any help or guidance on what formulas to apply here?

Thanks
 
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I do the basic calculation of Fmax using stress = F/A
Assuming Yield stress = 100ksi, the sheet metal being 1/6" thick and the flange being 2" tall
100ksi=F/(2*.0625) -> F=100ksi*.125 -> Fmax =12500lb

This seems way wrong considering the gas shock only applies a few pounds of force. Am I calculating it wrong? If not how do I apply it to the fatigue failure?

Thanks
 
How is the gas shock attached to the panel? Weld, screws, or what? This will make a lot of difference.

The calculation you showed almost certainly included too much area supporting the load.
 
It's bolted to the plate with 4 10-32 screws.
I assume it is almost line to line contact and has a huge stress riser. Just not sure how to calculate.
 
Then is it not true that the critical issue is the pull-out strength of the 4 screws? It would seem that you might estimate the load required to rip out one screw, and then figure that the four screw combination will support no more than 4 times the individual screw load.
 
I would say no because the sheet metal is tearing at the bottom of the bracket.
 
You still have not shown us a picture, so it is impossible to make any meaningful comments on this matter.
 

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