Determining length of highway deceleration ramp, with friction

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The discussion focuses on calculating the length of a deceleration ramp for an 80,000 lb truck traveling at 80 mph on a 30-degree incline with a friction coefficient of 1.5. The key equations involve the conservation of energy, where the initial kinetic energy is equated to the sum of potential energy and work done against friction. The normal force is derived using trigonometric functions, leading to a formula for the ramp length based on the truck's speed and the incline's angle. A proposed solution yields a ramp length of 72.7 meters, but there are doubts about its accuracy. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the equations to ensure a valid solution.
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Homework Statement


"At the base of a hill (blah blah) there is a ramp inclined with an angle of 30 degrees and has a surface with a coefficient of friction of 1.5. How long should this ramp be to be able to stop a 80,000lb truck traveling at 80 mph"


Homework Equations


(delta)K + (delta)U = -fk * d (K is kinetic energy, U is potential energy, fk is friction force)

fk = u*n (u is frictional coefficient)




The Attempt at a Solution



set Ki. = Uf + fk*d (having fk be positive, since you'd be subracting a negative anyway, right?) Ki = initial K.E., Uf = final P.E.)

(1/2) m v^2 = m g h + u n d (u is frict. coefficient, n is normal force, d is distance or hypotenuse of triangle, h is height.)

for the normal force I got n = m g cos(30)
and h = d sin(30)
{both of the above just using trig}

so (1/2) m v^2 = m g d sin(30) + u m g cos(30) d
m's cancel out
(1/2) v^2 = g d sin(30) + u g d cos(30)
solve for d
d = (v^2) / [g(sin(30) + u cos(30))]

plugging in v = 35.8 m/s (80 mph)
g = 9.8 m/s^2
u = 1.5

gives 72.7 meters. I don't have much faith in this answer. Can I do Ki. = Uf + fk*d for this problem?
 
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Since it's giving you the coefficient of friction, I think that you'd want to use this equation to solve the problem:

2a(x-x_0)=v^2-v_0^2

Solve for x-x_0

Figure out a

a=-g(\sin{\theta}+\mu \cos{\theta})

Substitute:

x=\frac{v^2-v_0^2}{2a}=\frac{v_0^2}{2 g(\sin{\theta}+\mu \cos{\theta})}
 
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