Determining Norton Equivalent of a Circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the Norton equivalent of a specific electrical circuit. Participants explore various methods for analysis, including the treatment of independent and dependent sources, and the implications of circuit configurations on the equivalent resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests zeroing the independent source and using a test voltage source to calculate the equivalent resistance, expressing confusion about the dependent source's position.
  • Another participant questions the representation of a diamond in the circuit, initially unsure if it is a current source, later confirming it as such.
  • A different participant proposes converting the current source and its parallel resistor into a voltage source in series with a resistor to clarify the circuit.
  • There is a discussion about the location of voltage (V) in the circuit, with one participant clarifying it is across the 3-ohm resistor.
  • Concerns are raised about the units of a variable K, with participants debating its meaning and suggesting it might represent transconductance.
  • One participant recommends using a 1-A test current source instead of a 1-V test voltage source for analysis.
  • Participants discuss the implications of removing the 18-V source from the circuit and the resulting voltage across the 3-ohm resistor, leading to differing interpretations of voltage contributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the methods for determining the Norton equivalent, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of circuit modifications. Disagreement exists regarding the treatment of the voltage source and its effect on the circuit analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the circuit configuration and the roles of different components, indicating potential missing details or assumptions that could affect the analysis.

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Hello,

I have the following circuit:

[PLAIN]http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6981/nortonm.png

I need to determine the Norton equivalent for this circuit.
I wonder whether the easiest way to solve this is by zeroing the independent source, connecting a test voltage source and calculate the equivalent resistance.

The dependent source confuses me somewhat, being positioned in parallel with the resistance.

Any ideas?
 
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It confuses me too. What does the diamond represent? Is it a current source, or something else?
 
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Phrak said:
It confuses me too. What does the diamond represent? Is it a current source, or something else?

Oh, forgot to write it out.

It's a current source.
 
Convert the current source and its parallel 2 ohm resistor into a voltage source in series with a 2 ohm resistor. That should remove the confusion.
 
Where is V in your circuit?
 
CEL said:
Where is V in your circuit?

V is the voltage across the 3ohm resistor.
 
James889 said:
V is the voltage across the 3ohm resistor.
The potential difference from bottom to top or top to bottom?

Also, the units of K don't make sense. An ampere is equal to a volt per ohm, not a volt-ohm.
 
vela said:
The potential difference from bottom to top or top to bottom?

Also, the units of K don't make sense. An ampere is equal to a volt per ohm, not a volt-ohm.

I think K is the transconductance: amps/volt.
 
The Electrician said:
I think K is the transconductance: amps/volt.

The drawing a made seem to have caused a bit of confusion, since i forgot to put all the details in:redface:

Anyway, here is how it is supposed to look:
[PLAIN]http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9333/nortony.png
 
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I suggest you use a 1-A test current source instead of a 1-V test voltage source.
 
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vela said:
I suggest you use a 1-A test current source instead of a 1-V test voltage source.

Ok, so zero the independent source, connect a test current across the terminals and find the voltage across the 3 ohm resistor?
 
  • #12
Yeah, that's how you'd start. Then once you know Vx, you can calculate the current through the 2-ohm resistor, and finally calculate the total voltage drop across the test source.
 
  • #13
So,

If you imagine the voltage source as a short, and a 1A current source applied to the two terminals.

You'd get

\frac{6}{6+3} \cdot 1 = 0.667A

0.667 \cdot 3 = 2

So V_x = 20 V

2 + 18(from the Voltage source) ?
 
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You removed the 18-V source and replaced it with a short. It's not in the circuit anymore, so Vx is simply 2 V. (And you wouldn't just arbitrarily add 18 V in anyway, even if the source was still there.)
 
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vela said:
You removed the 18-V source and replaced it with a short. It's not in the circuit anymore, so Vx is simply 2 V. (And you wouldn't just arbitrarily add 18 V in anyway, even if the source was still there.)

Why not?, 18V appear across the 3 ohm resistor ?
 
  • #16
1. You removed the 18-V source from the circuit.
2. Even if it were still in the circult, the entire 18 V wouldn't appear across just that one element.
 

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