Determining Values for a Given Matrix - How Can I Simplify This Process?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining values of the variable \( x \) for which the determinant of a given 3x3 matrix \( A \) equals zero. The matrix includes expressions involving \( x \) and participants are exploring methods to simplify the process of finding these values.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using properties of determinants, such as linear dependence of rows, and the expansion by rows method. There is mention of calculating the determinant directly and solving the resulting polynomial. Some express frustration with the complexity of their calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exchange of methods for calculating the determinant, with some participants suggesting that finding linear dependence may lead to missed solutions. A few have shared their results, indicating different polynomials derived from their calculations, but consensus on the best approach has not been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve messy calculations and potential errors in applying determinant formulas. There is also a reference to the challenge of simplifying the process effectively.

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Homework Statement


detA = 0
Matrix A =

| (x+5) 4 4 |
| -4 (x-3) -4 |
| -4 -4 (x-3)|

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that if one row or column is equal to another, then detA = 0, so using the last 2 rows, i can find out that x has to be -1 for row2 and row3 to be equal for detA = 0.

but the answer at the back says x = -1 or 3, how can i solve the 3? I have tried to reduce it to the triangular form, but it got way too messy to be correct. I also tried using the 3x3 matrix trick where you copy the first 2 rows and make a 4th and 5th row out of them and solve for the determinant, also got pretty messy.

Is there some rule that i missed out that can make my life easier on solving this question?
 
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Do you know the expansion by rows trick?

Definitely the best way to do this is to calculate the determinant and then solve the polynomial... trying to find linear dependence conditions is too error prone and you can miss solutions
 


you mean the one the one where you the multiply the diagonals and the subtract it by the other diagonals? in other words
(x+5) 4 4
-4 (x-3) -4
-4 -4 (x-3)
------------
(x+5) 4 4
-4 (x-3) -4
 


a11a22a33 - a11a23a32 - a12a21a33 + a12a23a31 + a13a21a32 - a13a22a31 = 0
it gets really messy with like = x^3 - 11x^2 + 55x - 93
 
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dracolnyte said:
a11a22a33 - a11a23a32 - a12a21a33 + a12a23a31 + a13a21a32 - a13a22a31 = 0
Either your formula isn't right, or you have made in error in calculation.
I worked it out and got a different polynomial, which when factored and set to zero, had roots equal to 3 and -1.
dracolnyte said:
it gets really messy with like = x^3 - 11x^2 + 55x - 93
 


ya sorry, i realized and i did it again, i got x = 3 and -1. my bad, it must be getting late
 

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