Dielectric half-filled parallel plate capacitor

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric fields and capacitance in a dielectric half-filled parallel plate capacitor, as presented in a problem from Griffiths. Participants explore the differences in electric fields in various media, the total charge calculations, and the application of circuit theory to analyze the system.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the electric fields are the same in both dielectric and air when they differ in part (a) of the problem.
  • Another participant explains that the electric fields are the same for the same potential difference (PD) because the field is defined as PD divided by spacing.
  • It is proposed that the system can be treated as two capacitors in series, each with the same charge, leading to a shared potential difference across the two sections.
  • A different perspective suggests that part (b) can be viewed as two capacitors in parallel, with specific capacitance values calculated for each section based on the dielectric properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the capacitor system, with some advocating for a series model and others for a parallel model. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these models on the electric fields and capacitance calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the interpretation of the electric fields and charge distribution in the capacitor, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of circuit theory to the problem.

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Question taken from Griffiths Pg 185, Problem 4.19:

For part (b):

-Why are the electric fields the same whether in dielectric or in air? In part (a), they are clearly different!

-Why is [tex]σ_{tot} = ε_{0}E = ε_{0}\frac{V}{d}[/tex]

-In calculation of capacitance, why is the total charge [tex](\frac {A}{2})(σ_{tot} + σ<br /> _f)[/tex]?part (a) makes perfect sense, but in part (b) it is confusing..
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The fields are the same for the same PD if you change the dielectric throughout because Field is PD/spacing (volts per metre).
When you have two different sections, you can treat it as two capacitors in series, each with the same value of Q. The potential across each bit is no longer fixed by the power supply PD but the PD is shared between the two series capacitors according to 1/C. (Remember V=Q/C). Then each field is given by PD/width. (It's just another version of the potential divider thing only with Cs instead of Rs.

If you just apply the right formula at the right time, the right answer pops out.
 
You can use circuit theory for that one.
(a) can be seen as two capacitors in series.
one with a capacity of A * e0 / (0.5 * d) and the other A * er * e0 / (0.5 * d).
And part (b) can be seen as two capacitors in parallel.
One with 0.5 * A * e0 / d and the other 0.5 * A * er * e0 / d.
 

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