Difference between density and unit weight with same units

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The discussion revolves around the distinction between density and unit weight, particularly when both are expressed in the same units (lbs/ft³). Participants explore the definitions and implications of these terms in different measurement systems, with a focus on materials like concrete and coarse aggregates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their professor uses the same units for density and unit weight, leading to confusion regarding their differences.
  • Another participant argues that in the U.S., density is defined as weight per unit volume, which they believe aligns with unit weight, suggesting that both should be similar for concrete.
  • A participant corrects their earlier statement, clarifying that the values discussed refer to coarse aggregate rather than concrete, but questions remain about why density and unit weight differ despite having the same units.
  • One participant proposes that density might refer to the material itself, while unit weight could account for the volume of empty spaces within the material.
  • A reference to a Wikipedia article is made, indicating that "dry unit weight" pertains to the density of a material that includes voids as part of the volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and differing interpretations regarding the definitions of density and unit weight. There is no consensus on the relationship between the two terms, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings related to measurement systems (U.S. vs. SI) and the definitions of density and unit weight, but these aspects remain unresolved.

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In my lectures and notes my professor keeps writing out density as lbs/ft3 and unit weight as lbs/ft3. For a material such as concrete it could have a density of 167 lbs/ft3 but a unit weight of 103 lbs/ft3. I am confused as to how these two values are different even though they have the exact same units.
 
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I don't understand why there should be a difference. In the United States, density is typically defined as weight per unit volume, and this is the same as unit weight (about 150 pounds per cubic foot for concrete). In the SI system of measure, density is expressed in mass per unit volume, whereas unit weight is expressed in weight per unit volume,so there is a difference on that system of measure. In any case, the 103 pounds per cu ft value for the unit weight of standard concrete is not correct. However , if the concrete is submerged under water, then the buoyant or apparent density is about 100 pounds per cubic ft or in that ballpark , so maybe that's what prof was talking about?
 
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I don't understand why there should be a difference. In the United States, density is typically defined as weight per unit volume, and this is the same as unit weight (about 150 pounds per cubic foot for concrete). In the SI system of measure, density is expressed in mass per unit volume, whereas unit weight is expressed in weight per unit volume,so there is a difference on that system of measure. In any case, the 103 pounds per cu ft value for the unit weight of standard concrete is not correct. However , if the concrete is submerged under water, then the buoyant or apparent density is about 100 pounds per cubic ft or in that ballpark , so maybe that's what prof was talking about?

Ah sorry, those values refer to a coarse aggregate not conrete. The aggregate has a density of 167 and a unit weight of 103 with the same exact units. I guess the question is the same though, in my notes, the lectures, and my laboratory hands outs the density and unit weights are always different despite having the same units.
 
Could density be referring to the material itself, while unit weight includes the empty space?
 
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