Difference Between Phase and Time-Delay

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between phase and time-delay in sinusoidal functions, exploring whether they can be converted from one to the other. Participants examine the mathematical expressions involved and the conceptual implications of time delays and phase shifts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a mathematical relationship between phase and time-delay using the equation Sin(2πBt + π/2) = Sin(2πB(t + 1/(4B))).
  • Another participant suggests that a time delay corresponds to a negative temporal shift, indicating that a time delay of 1/(4B) results in a phase shift of -π/2.
  • A later reply asserts that a phase change has a corresponding time delay and vice versa, under the condition that the shifts are linear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the relationship between phase and time-delay, but there is a lack of consensus on the specifics of the conversion and the implications of the shifts involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about linearity in the shifts and does not resolve the nuances of the mathematical transformations presented.

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Hi,
I understand what phase and time-delay are, but can they be converted from one to the other?

For example is the working out below correct?:

Sin(2[itex]π[/itex]Bt + [itex]\frac{π}{2}[/itex]) = Sin(2[itex]π[/itex]B(t + [itex]\frac{1}{4B}[/itex]))

So basically a time delay of (t + [itex]\frac{1}{4B}[/itex]) = a phase of [itex]\frac{π}{2}[/itex] ?
 
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frenzal_dude said:
Hi,
I understand what phase and time-delay are, but can they be converted from one to the other?

For example is the working out below correct?:

Sin(2[itex]π[/itex]Bt + [itex]\frac{π}{2}[/itex]) = Sin(2[itex]π[/itex]B(t + [itex]\frac{1}{4B}[/itex]))

So basically a time delay of (t + [itex]\frac{1}{4B}[/itex]) = a phase of [itex]\frac{π}{2}[/itex] ?
You have the right idea, but you have just made a small conceptual error). A time delay is equivalent to a negative temporal shift; or a translation in the positive direction along the time axis. If your original signal [itex]\sin(2\pi B t)[/itex], then after a time delay of 1/(4B), your new signal will be

[tex]\sin\left(2\pi B\left[t-\frac{1}{4B}\right]\right) = \sin\left(2\pi Bt - \frac{\pi}{2}\right)[/tex]

Does that make sense?
 
Hootenanny said:
You have the right idea, but you have just made a small conceptual error). A time delay is equivalent to a negative temporal shift; or a translation in the positive direction along the time axis. If your original signal [itex]\sin(2\pi B t)[/itex], then after a time delay of 1/(4B), your new signal will be

[tex]\sin\left(2\pi B\left[t-\frac{1}{4B}\right]\right) = \sin\left(2\pi Bt - \frac{\pi}{2}\right)[/tex]

Does that make sense?

Thanks for your help, yeh it makes sense.
So basically it's true that a phase change has a corresponding time delay and vice versa?
 
frenzal_dude said:
Thanks for your help, yeh it makes sense.
So basically it's true that a phase change has a corresponding time delay and vice versa?
Yes, assuming the shift is linear, i.e. [itex]t\mapsto t+\text{const.}[/itex] and [itex]\omega\mapsto \omega+\text{const.}[/itex].
 

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