Different antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria

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The discussion focuses on the effects of antibiotics on Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria, exploring whether antibiotics and bacteria can be viewed as a chaotic system. It highlights that small changes in antibiotic concentration or pH can significantly affect the killing zone diameter, with specific antibiotics exhibiting varying sensitivities to pH levels. For instance, quinolones and macrolides show decreased activity at lower pH levels, while aminoglycosides have reduced cell penetration in acidic conditions.Additionally, the conversation addresses the possibility of including mycoplasmas in the investigation. Mycoplasmas, lacking certain features present in Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria, could influence the results based on the antibiotics' modes of action. For statistical analysis, while the Mann Whitney U Test was previously used for two data sets, the introduction of mycoplasmas necessitates exploring other statistical tests suitable for comparing three groups of data. Resources for selecting appropriate statistical tests are suggested for further guidance.
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Hi. I am doing an investigation on the effects of different antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria.

1) Can you say that antibiotics and bacteria form a chaotic system? Can a very small change in concentration of antiboitics, or a small variation in pH, change the diameter of killing zone greatly?

2) If I want to extend this investigation: not only testing effects of antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria, but also "mycoplasmas" which are neither Gram positive nor negative. Is this possible? (I do not actually have to carry this out but just need to propose what needs to be done). Before I used the Mann Whitney U Test to comparing two sets of data. But if I introduce mycoplasmas, which statistical tests are there to comparing three groups of data?

Thank you very much for your help in advance.

Gary :redface:
 
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garytse86 said:
1) Can you say that antibiotics and bacteria form a chaotic system? Can a very small change in concentration of antiboitics, or a small variation in pH, change the diameter of killing zone greatly?

It will depend on the antibiotics, the pH value of media and how much a small variation in pH is. for example, quinolone have a decrease activity below ph 5.0 and macrolides have a decrease acitivity just below pH 7.0. Also, the penetration by aminoglycosides inside the cell is greatly reduce at low pH.

For reference
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8404912&dopt=Abstract

garytse86 said:
2) If I want to extend this investigation: not only testing effects of antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria, but also "mycoplasmas" which are neither Gram positive nor negative. Is this possible? (I do not actually have to carry this out but just need to propose what needs to be done). Before I used the Mann Whitney U Test to comparing two sets of data. But if I introduce mycoplasmas, which statistical tests are there to comparing three groups of data?

first mycoplasma lack a certain feature that are present on both gram positive and negative. this will have an influence on the result depending on the mode of action of the antibiotics.

For the stat test, look at the following page to guide you
http://www.edu.rcsed.ac.uk/statisti...o help decide the statistical test to use.htm
 
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