Differential Area Element and surface integrals

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The discussion revolves around the correct formulation of the differential area element used in surface integrals, specifically whether to use dA = dx dy or to derive it from the equation A = xy using the product rule.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the correct differential area element is dA = dx dy.
  • Another participant challenges the second equation, stating that it does not make sense to use the product rule without differentiating A with respect to either x or y.
  • A third participant agrees with the first point about starting with the infinitesimal element for integrals but acknowledges that deriving dA from A = xy using the product rule is also legitimate.
  • There is a general emphasis on the importance of starting with the infinitesimal element in the context of line, surface, and volume integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of using the product rule for deriving the differential area element, indicating that multiple competing views remain in the discussion.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of the product rule and the assumptions underlying the use of differential elements in integrals.

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[SOLVED] Differential Area Element

While doing surface integrals, I am not sure as to which of the following is the correct differential area element to be considered:

i] [tex]dA = dx dy[/tex]

or

ii]
[tex]A = xy[/tex]

hence, using the product rule:

[tex]dA = xdy + ydx[/tex]
 
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The short answer is simply that [tex]dA = dxdy[/tex]

Your second equation does not make sense. To use the product rule, you have to differentiate A with respect to either x or y.
 
the first one ... you always start with the infinitesimal element .

CrazyIvan said:
The short answer is simply that [tex]dA = dxdy[/tex]

Your second equation does not make sense. To use the product rule, you have to differentiate A with respect to either x or y.

that's not completely correct ..
if you start with [tex]A=xy[/tex] then [tex]dA=xdy+ydx[/tex] is lgeit .. but we always start with the infinitesimal element when we perform line , surface and volume integrals .
 
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thanks for the quick replies. I think I get it now...
 

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