Differential Equation - Find the Constant.

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation problem where the original poster is tasked with finding a constant \( C \) based on given conditions for a function \( f(x) \) and its derivative at \( x = 0 \). The context involves calculus and the properties of functions defined by their values and derivatives at specific points.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore how substituting \( x = 0 \) into the equation can help determine the constant \( C \). There is discussion about the implications of the function and its derivative both being zero at that point, leading to questions about the reasoning behind concluding that \( C = 0 \).

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Several participants have provided insights into the reasoning process, with some clarifying that since the equation holds for all \( x \), it must also hold at \( x = 0 \). The original poster expresses confusion about this reasoning but appears to be gaining clarity through the discussion.

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There is an indication that the problem is part of a larger proof, which may influence the understanding of the constant \( C \). The original poster references external resources related to the proof, suggesting that the context may not be fully clear to all participants.

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Hey,

1. Homework Statement .
Given,
[tex] {f(0)} = {0}[/tex]
[tex] {{{f}^{\prime}}{(0)}} = {0}[/tex]

Find the constant [tex]{C}[/tex] for the following and justify,
[tex] {{\frac {1}{2}}{{\left({f(x)}\right)}^{2}} + {{\left({{{f}^{\prime}}{\left({x}\right)}}\right)}^{2}}} = {C}[/tex]

2. Homework Equations .
Calculus.

3. The Attempt at a Solution .
This problem is take from the proof of another problem and I follow what they're doing in that proof all except these last lines,
http://d.imagehost.org/0790/line.jpg
I don't get exactly how from: [tex]{{f(0)} = {0}}[/tex] and [tex]{{f^{\prime}{(0)}} = {0}}[/tex]; they're able to determine that the constant is zero ([tex]{{C} = {0}}[/tex]).
How do they determine that?

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
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They put x=0 to determine the constant C, didn't they? But perhaps I don't get the problem, since you didn't really state where all of this stuff is coming from.
 
Hey,
Dick said:
They put x=0 to determine the constant C, didn't they? But perhaps I don't get the problem, since you didn't really state where all of this stuff is coming from.
This problem is part of another problem I was trying to prove, the proof for that problem is below,
http://d.imagehost.org/0948/Lemma_2_4.jpg

I follow what they're doing in the proof all except these last lines,
http://d.imagehost.org/0790/line.jpg

I don't get exactly how from: [tex]{{f(0)} = {0}}[/tex] and [tex]{{f^{\prime}{(0)}} = {0}}[/tex]; they're able to determine that the constant is zero ([tex]{{C} = {0}}[/tex]).
How do they determine that?

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
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I still don't get what you don't get. If f(x)^2+f'(x)^2=C is a CONSTANT, then f(x)^2+f'(x)^2 has the same value C for ALL values of x. One value of x is 0. So C=f(0)^2+f'(0)^2=0+0. ?
 
if
[tex]{{\frac {1}{2}}{{\left({f(x)}\right)}^{2}} + {{\left({{{f}^{\prime}}{\left({x}\right)}}\right)} ^{2}}} = {C}[/tex]
for all x, then, in particular, it is true for x= 0 Since f(x)= 0 and f'(x)= 0,
[tex]{{\frac {1}{2}}{{\left({0}\right)}^{2}} + {{\left({{0}}\right)} ^{2}}} = {C}[/tex]
so C must be 0. It's that simple.
 
Hey,
Dick said:
I still don't get what you don't get. If f(x)^2+f'(x)^2=C is a CONSTANT, then f(x)^2+f'(x)^2 has the same value C for ALL values of x. One value of x is 0. So C=f(0)^2+f'(0)^2=0+0. ?
Ahh, right...that is right. That is, given any function of [itex]{x}[/itex] equal to a constant, than for all values of [itex]{x}[/itex] the result is the same constant.
In other words,
[tex] {g(x)} = {K}<br /> {,}<br /> {\textcolor{white}{.}}<br /> {\textcolor{white}{.}}<br /> \mbox{for all}<br /> {\textcolor{white}{.}}<br /> {x}[/tex]
It was the "[tex]{\mbox{for all}{\textcolor{white}{.}}{x}}[/tex]" part that I just now realized, :redface:.
HallsofIvy said:
if
[tex]{{\frac {1}{2}}{{\left({f(x)}\right)}^{2}} + {{\left({{{f}^{\prime}}{\left({x}\right)}}\right)}^{2}}} = {C}[/tex]
for all x, then, in particular, it is true for x= 0 Since f(x)= 0 and f'(x)= 0,
[tex]{{\frac{1}{2}}{{\left({0}\right)}^{2}} + {{\left({{0}}\right)}^{2}}} = {C}[/tex]
so C must be 0. It's that simple.
Right, and that value of [itex]{C}[/itex] is valid for all values of [itex]{x}[/itex], I just realized that, :redface:.

Thanks so much for the help: Dick and HallsofIvy.

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
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