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The discussion centers around finding an accessible differential geometry book suitable for general relativity and quantum field theory, emphasizing a focus on calculations and geometric intuition rather than rigorous proofs. Participants express that "The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction" is too detailed for their needs. Suggestions include looking for books that introduce basic concepts like smooth manifolds, curves, and vector fields, while also addressing the use of tensors in physics, which some find confusing. The conversation highlights the distinction between no-index and index notation, noting that while no-index notation is better for proofs, index notation is more practical for calculations. Additionally, there is mention of "elementary differential geometry" as a foundational resource, though it may not fully prepare readers for the complexities of general relativity. Overall, the thread seeks recommendations for books that balance intuition with practical application in physics.
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Hello,
does anyone know an (more or less) easy differential geometry book for courses in generall relativity and quantum field theory? I'm looking for a book without proofs that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition. I already looked at The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction, but it was too detailed for me.
 
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Ulrico said:
Hello,
does anyone know an (more or less) easy differential geometry book ...
Yes.
... for courses in general relativity and quantum field theory?
No.
I'm looking for a book without proofs ...
No.
... that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition.
Yes.
I already looked at The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction, but it was too detailed for me.
So for half of the requirements:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387903577/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
Ulrico said:
quantum field theory?

By the differential geometry of "quantum field theory", do you mean fibre bundles, i.e., principal bundles and associated vector bundles?
 
I don't know anything about quantum field theory yet, I just heard that diffenetial geometry is used in it ;-). I'd like to read a separate book on the mathematics beside an introduction to quantum field theory/general relativity.

@fresh_42 Thanks for your answer. It's not quite what I'm looking for right now, but I will save it for later if I want a deeper understanding of mathematics.
 
Ulrico said:
@fresh_42 Thanks for your answer. It's not quite what I'm looking for right now, but I will save it for later if I want a deeper understanding of mathematics.
It's actually rather basic with a lot of drawings. It introduces all basic ideas and concepts, from smooth manifolds to curves and vector fields, and a lot of coordinate calculus. It ends where the more abstract concepts, which @George Jones mentioned, begin with. However, it contains all the fundamentals as geodesics, parallel transport, curvature etc. which the abstract concepts are developed from. As an introduction to differential geometry it is pretty good.
 
I didn't found tensors in the index, that's why I thought it might be a bit over the top.
 
Yes, that's true. The excessive use of tensors, covariant and contravariant by physicists is mathematical nonsense. They are all vectors, transformations, multilinear forms, curvature, gradient or whatever, so mathematics doesn't just call them tensors unless they are part of a universal mapping problem. In so far, it is true. The book doesn't prepare you well for the notations used in physics. The objects are all there, but not their physical notation as "tensor"; coordinates are only used if necessary: vectors are written ##\mathbf{v}## and not ##v^i##.
 
fresh_42 said:
The objects are all there, but not their physical notation as "tensor"; coordinates are only used if necessary: vectors are written ##\mathbf{v}## and not ##v^i##.
Thanks for making that clear. I didn't really like the index notation anyway, so I will go and buy it :-)
 
Ulrico said:
I'm looking for a book without proofs that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition.
Ulrico said:
I didn't really like the index notation anyway,
The no-index notation is more suitable for doing proofs, while the index notation is more suitable for doing calculations.
 
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A book on "elementary differential geometry" will cover the local and global differential geometry of curves and surfaces and is not going to get you very far towards the math required for GR, though it will help with intuition and mathematical maturity.
 
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I like Nakhara. Used it extensively for my master’s thesis.
 
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