Differentiation of Quotients and Higher Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around differentiation, specifically focusing on the differentiation of quotients and higher derivatives. Participants are examining a problem involving the intersection of a line and a curve, as well as the second derivative of a given function.

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the gradient of a curve at specific points and find the second derivative of a function. There are questions regarding the correctness of derivatives and the setup of the equations involved.

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Some participants are providing feedback on each other's derivative calculations, with indications of confusion regarding the correct forms of the derivatives. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the equations and to guide each other towards correct interpretations.

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There are mentions of discrepancies between participants' answers and those provided in an answer key, as well as issues related to typing equations correctly. The original poster expresses difficulty with both problems presented.

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1) The line 2x+9=3 meets curve xy+y+2=0 at the points P and Q. Calculate the gradient of the curve at P and Q

2)Given that [itex]y=(x^2)/(x-2)[/itex], find
a) [itex](d^2)y/dx^2[/itex] in its simplest form
b)ther range of value for which [itex]dy/dx[/itex] and [itex](d^2)y/dx^2[/itex] are positive.


I can't figure out either of the sums. For the first one I got the answer -1/11 & -44/81 (even though the answer page showed 1/2 and 4/81) and the second I couldn't do. Can anyone do them step by step?
 
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What is the first derivative of ##y=\frac{x^2}{x-2}##

ehild
 
y=(x^2)-4x/(x-2)^2
 
Aichuk said:
y=(x^2)-4x/(x-2)^2

How did you get
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \frac{x^2}{x-2} = x^2 - \frac{4x}{(x-1)^2} ?[/tex]
This is obviously wrong.
 
No, i got [itex]y= \frac{x^2-4x}{(x-2)^2}[/itex]
 
Aichuk said:
1) The line 2x+9=3 meets curve xy+y+2=0 at the points P and Q. Calculate the gradient of the curve at P and Q
Do you mean "2x+ 9y= 3"? What are P and Q?

2)Given that [itex]y=(x^2)/(x-2)[/itex], find
a) [itex](d^2)y/dx^2[/itex] in its simplest form
b)ther range of value for which [itex]dy/dx[/itex] and [itex](d^2)y/dx^2[/itex] are positive.


I can't figure out either of the sums. For the first one I got the answer -1/11 & -44/81 (even though the answer page showed 1/2 and 4/81) and the second I couldn't do. Can anyone do them step by step?
As Ray Vickson pointed out, you have written the first derivative incorrectly- although you may have calculated it correctly. You have the parentheses in the wrong place and you have the denominator wrong.
 
Sorry for that, I suck at typing equations on computer.
 
Aichuk said:
No, i got [itex]y= \frac{x^2-4x}{(x-2)^2}[/itex]
Did you mean ##\frac{dy}{dx}##?ehild
 

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